FDA Ohio - Brown and 7 Other Senators Press FDA to Take Action

[KattMamma]

Funny how I dont see a single R behind any of those names.

I am assuming that these are some of the same idiots who voted for the Iran Nuclear Deal?

I really hope people start to wake up.....before its too late.

There's Rs attacking vaping too... but it does seem like Ds are leading the way and outnumbering the Rs.

I usually ignore party affiliations though and look at voting records. Although I do vote in primaries, in general elections I have NEVER voted straight party ticket. Voting is one of the hardest things I ever do - so much research beforehand and too often I find nobody worth voting for...

 

[zapped]

There's Rs attacking vaping too... but it does seem like Ds are leading the way and outnumbering the Rs.

I usually ignore party affiliations though and look at voting records. Although I do vote in primaries, in general elections I have NEVER voted straight party ticket. Voting is one of the hardest things I ever do - so much research beforehand and too often I find nobody worth voting for...

Ive yet to see an R attacking vaping. And Ive been around vaping and the vaping community for quite awhile now.

If you see one, please point them out to me so I can chew them a new posterior and withdraw my support.

 

[Kent C]

Ive yet to see an R attacking vaping. And Ive been around vaping and the vaping community for quite awhile now.

If you see one, please point them out to me so I can chew them a new posterior and withdraw my support.

There are some R's at state and local levels. This explains what I've seen:

Democrats blast feds' delays in e-cigarette, tobacco rules

 

[nicnik]

There are some R's at state and local levels. This explains what I've seen:

Democrats blast feds' delays in e-cigarette, tobacco rules

State Republicans - Indiana, Arkansas, Texas, Kansas, Ohio, and many municipal and county Republicans have done a lot worse than voting for age restrictions.

 

[Kent C]

State Republicans - Indiana, Arkansas, Texas, Kansas, Ohio, and many municipal and county Republicans have done a lot worse than voting for age restrictions.

And I've explained that as well - too you actually:


CEH files shakedown lawsuits in CA against 24 large e-cig companies alleging high carcinogen levels

 

[nicnik]

It's also sold in Canada...

E-Cigarette Liquid Nicotine Poses Poison Risk | Page 2 | E-Cigarette Forum

Directions (verbatim) from Nicorette Mist (Johnson&Johnson):

"Adults and Children over 12 years of age
Use 1 or 2 sprays when cigarettes normally would have been smoked or if cravings emerge. If after the first spray cravings are not controlled within a few minutes, a second spray should be used. If 2 sprays are required, future doses may be delivered as 2 consecutive sprays.
Most smokers will require 1-2 sprays every 30 minutes to 1 hour."

And the list of ingredients:

Propylene glycol
Anhydrous ethanol
Trometamol
Poloxamer 407
Glycerol--(that's VG for those who don't know)
Sodium hydrogen carbonate
Levomenthol
Mint flavour
Cooling flavour
Sucralose
Acesulfame potassium
Hydrochloric acid--ewwwwwww....
Purified water

The instructions tell you to spray it in the air to get it going. No need to worry about all the supposed dangers of 2nd hand and 3rd hand exposure, because it's a BP product.

 

[choochoogranny]

Why, you might actually miss your mouth and get it on your skin! What if you get some in your eyes? Does that thing have a "child proof" spritzer on it? My heavens, how did it pass the FDA standards?.......Never mind.

 

[nicnik]

Why, you might actually miss your mouth and get it on your skin!

You're right.

What if you get some in your eyes?

Good question.

Does that thing have a "child proof" spritzer on it?

The video starts with instructions to unlock the "child lock".

My heavens, how did it pass the FDA standards?

Good question.

.......Never mind.

OK.

 

[Katya]

how did it pass the FDA standards?.

It didn't.

 

[choochoogranny]

Oh! That's right Katya. It only sells in England and Canada......where they care less about the potential harm than we do? ........or are they better about letting adults be adults? I have become aware (better late than.....) Europe gets their new drugs approved quicker? Why the difference do you suppose?

 

[Katya]

Oh! That's right Katya. It only sells in England and Canada......where they care less about the potential harm than we do? ........or are they better about letting adults be adults? I have become aware (better late than.....) Europe gets their new drugs approved quicker? Why the difference do you suppose?

No clue... Sorry...

 

[skoony]

NICORETTE® QuickMist Mouthspray | NICORETTE®

The above is sold in England and has all the ingredients that an e-cig uses PLUS 10 more? It's been over a yr. since seeing the list of ingredients; so, of course, my short term memory thing.

I looked and cannot find the ingredients for the Nicorette inhaler which I think is sold here over the counter now. Does anyone have that info?

Her's a PDF i found.
http://www.medicines.org.au/files/pcpnicqm.pdf
Mike

 

[choochoogranny]

Thank you, skoony.

 

[mamabear15]

We already went thru that in AR and the way they did it here, from a money-making aspect for the state (yet terrible for vapers) it was done rather brilliantly......I mean every i dotted and t crossed.

So other states will be copying it.


Ordering eliquid online is now against the law here and can only be sold by those w/existing Retail Cigarette & Tobacco Permit, Wholesale Tobacco Permit or Manufacturer Tobacco Permit. (It won't be taxed though until that comes up again about 2 years from now and they have no plans to restrict hardware or DIY stuff.) Our gov is hooked up with some kinda Homeland Security thing, so that is why I say it was expertly written....I mean that in the sense that any other state would only wish to have all their ducks in a row like how he did it. (not supporting it, just saying if they wanted to set up everything to make taxing really easy, with absolutely zero extra permits or hassles, this would be the Bill to copy). It basically just treats eliquid as a tobacco product.

Alrighty, off topic & I apologize to OP, but @Racehorse I just moved back to AR from FL...what is this you speak of about not being legal to order liquid online? Am I, like, fixing to be arrested or something? Me=clueless, lol

 

[Katya]

Alrighty, off topic & I apologize to OP, but @Racehorse I just moved back to AR from FL...what is this you speak of about not being legal to order liquid online? Am I, like, fixing to be arrested or something? Me=clueless, lol

Arkansas ACT 1235 (SB978) Shuts Down Online Sales | E-Cigarette Forum

 

[roxynoodle]

I received a reply from Senator Brown last night:

He welcomes my thoughts, but disagrees with me on many of them.

He feels they can be used as an aid to quitting smoking, but not if it prolongs nicotine dependence.

He feels they are a high risk product for creating a new generation of nicotine addicts.

 

[DC2]

He feels they can be used as an aid to quitting smoking, but not if it prolongs nicotine dependence.

I'd email him back, since it's remotely possible based on his reply...
That he may have actually read your comments!

And I'd tell him that it's all fine and dandy to disagree with each other...
But only one of us is right, and it's not him.

 

[roxynoodle]

I'd email him back, since it's remotely possible based on his reply...
That he may have actually read your comments!

And I'd tell him that it's all fine and dandy to disagree with each other...
But only one of us is right, and it's not him.

Yes, I agree. It was a short response, but I thought he actually read it.

 

[Katya]

Yes, I agree. It was a short response, but I thought he actually read it.

You may want to send him this--from Public Health England:

E-cigarettes: an emerging public health consensus - Press releases - GOV.UK

 

[Kent C]

Yes, I agree. It was a short response, but I thought he actually read it.

I've gotten at least three replies from him - they were all basically the same with no reason for me to believe that he(or most likely the staffer) actually read past 'e-cigarettes'. Never addressed any point, or thanked (or even acknowledged) the links I provided, and each had what seems to be the standard Democrat reply opening - by defining (to an obvious veteran vaper), what an ecigarette is