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Older Folks and Vaping Back Porch - Part Four

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My strongest programming talent was done w/ 'machine' language. I couldn't stand higher level languages like fortran, cobol, algol, pascal and on and on. I didn't like when writing re-entrant and re-usable code came into vogue. I could no longer write self-modifying code. Little tricks like modifying the branch instruction later in the logic was faster and easier then setting flags and then testing whether to branch of not.
I always hated it when some of my code self modified when it was not intended to do that.
 

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My strongest programming talent was done w/ 'machine' language. I couldn't stand higher level languages like fortran, cobol, algol, pascal and on and on.

Now, I was the opposite - started in assembly code for a few years - later went to higher languages and just did not want to go back, but I was no longer creating machine instructions - I had moved into what we considered operational systems...
 

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I almost feel like I'm absorbing a teeny amount of the knowledge being shared by all the computer pioneers on here.

My first exposure was when I was a freshman in college in 1969 or 1970 at UMass Amherst in the days of Julius Erving (AKA Dr J).

I took an economics course for which the professor had written his own textbook, and it required us to learn some simple programming. I don't even remember what language we used but I do vaguely remember creating the keypunch cards. The final exam consisted of creating a program to solve an economics problem.

20 years later, I took an Intro to Computer Applications night course at Nash Co Community College here in NC. Absolutely fascinating and intriguing. State of the art was WordPerfect at the time.

Another 7 years before I got my first computer as a Xmas present from my Dad, and I've been completely addicted to using computers for the 18 or 19 years since. That first computer had Windows 95 and a 3.4 GB or 4.3 GB (don't remember which) hard drive. I had a very persnickety dial-up connection for quite a few years. Through several modem replacements I never got anywhere close to the 14, 28 or 56 Mbs that I was sposta.
 

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Wordstar was the star of the market for a long time - it just did not keep up with the times by adding all the bells and whistles - GUI was its downfall. They just felt that people just wanted to get the job done - for a person like me they were right - when the finally did try to go GUI - it was so disappointing and led to its final demise.

WordPerfect was the star for professional writers - nothing on the market could do half of what it could - it just was not an easy program to use with all of its flexibility and most users were just not in the mood to learn. The people that could not grasp WordPerfect - went with Wordstar.

Then came along Microsoft Word - in the middle of the two - almost all the power of WordPerfect, but almost as easy to use as Wordstar... It was the winner - some WordPerfect fans just could not let it go and I was a user for a long long time, but it did lose out over time. Microsoft found the perfect combo - make it visually appealing, visually easy enough to learn, and still have enough power to satisfy. But even it has become laden with a lot of bells and whistles that most users do not and will not ever use...

Back in the mid 90's as computers started to become more powerful, but were also being laden down with more complicated programming - I tried to talk Microsoft into allowing users to import only the bells and whistles that they wanted and would use - my mindset was that you would have the best of both worlds - free up some computer sources and still have what you needed to get the job done... While they have over the years allowed some custom installation choices - no where near to what I had proposed back then... :grr:

Can you imagine what your computer could run like with today's power, but with only the bare essentials - in what you wanted loaded on your machine... :hubba: No fuss, no waste, no lurking algorithms watching all of what you do.

I also do have to add one thing in support of computers today - a lot of the wasted resources is also in protecting your system from viruses, malware, etc..., but there are ways that are less intrusive and could obtain greater results - if they really wanted to... :rolleyes:
 

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........Can you imagine what your computer could run like with today's power, but with only the bare essentials - in what you wanted loaded on your machine... :hubba: No fuss, no waste, no lurking algorithms watching all of what you do.
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Today, isn't that called 'Linux'? (in it's various distros, some being more bare-bones than others)
 

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Today, isn't that called 'Linux'? (in it's various distros, some being more bare-bones than others)

To a certain extent - "Yes", but it has not grasped enough of the market to get enough support from the program market. In simple words - it is not able to offer all the choices that are available...
 

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But even it has become laden with a lot of bells and whistles that most users do not and will not ever use...

Oh, you mean the *award winning* ribbon? The thing most people found so aggravating it took years for them to upgrade cuz they no longer had a choice?
 

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My husband was site engineer at Philco/Ford back in 1966 and he worked in the PPM (Pilot Production Model) for Philco 102 for AUTODIN (Automatic Digital Interface Network).

Reading all of this brings back so many memories and phrases none of which I remembered or truly comprehend, but I did have to transcribe and present the reports to the Director of AUTODIN, Bob Woods..
We all ended up living outside of Camp Drake in Ikebukuro for a year and lived there as civilians......a most memorable and wonderful experience.
 

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To a certain extent - "Yes", but it has not grasped enough of the market to get enough support from the program market. In simple words - it is not able to offer all the choices that are available...

And that's a real shame. IMO, Linus Torvald and Ian Murdock (debian, and the concept of 'packages') gave the world more than Gates & Co. ever did. "The world" just doesn't realize it.

BTW... Ian's wife is named Debra - hence 'Debian'...
 

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And that's a real shame. IMO, Linus Torvald and Ian Murdock (debian, and the concept of 'packages") gave the world more than Gates & Co. ever did. "The world" just doesn't realize it.

Linux primary audience today is commercial applications - servers and stuff - we are left more to the wolves in the normal consumer market... We have a couple of Linux users in our group - I am sure they will jump in with more info...
 

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I always hated it when some of my code self modified when it was not intended to do that.

Well yes ... there was that undesirable random feature too. But then we called that job security ... get rid of all the bugs and you didn't need programers around to fix 'em.
 

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Linux primary audience today is commercial applications - servers and stuff - we are left more to the wolves in the normal consumer market... We have a couple of Linux users in our group - I am sure they will jump in with more info...
I used Linux for a year or so. It is really meant for people who are more computer-sophisticated than myself. Took a while before I had the software I needed, and learned how to use it. Then, when I transited back to windows, I had to re-learn what I had forgotten. It was fun, and really ideal for elderly computers because it can be so lightweight.
 

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I remember Word Star and Word Perfect. Back in the early 80s my husband was a PL1 programmer. He wrote a program he called "Typer", it turned a dot matrix printer into a typewriter. Never really had the backing and marketing needed to really go anywhere, but the companies that used it (an myself) loved it!
 

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I remember Word Star and Word Perfect. Back in the early 80s my husband was a PL1 programmer. He wrote a program he called "Typer", it turned a dot matrix printer into a typewriter. Never really had the backing and marketing needed to really go anywhere, but the companies that used it (an myself) loved it!
yep had a variation of that program, no correction ribbon though :(
 

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I loved that - Can I borrow it?
Someone sent it to me and all I did was clean it up a bit. Given that the sender is not the creative type, I assume she grabbed it from somewhere else on the internet, so my guess is that is is already in "public domain." So, yes, go for it.
 

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Linux primary audience today is commercial applications - servers and stuff - we are left more to the wolves in the normal consumer market... We have a couple of Linux users in our group - I am sure they will jump in with more info...
Belive it or not the base kernel for Android is Linux based. So is the base kernel for the Mac OS and by definition the Apple Mobile operating system. :)
 

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Belive it or not the base kernel for Android is Linux based. So is the base kernel for the Mac OS and by definition the Apple Mobile operating system. :)

I don't think so Matt re; MAC OS being Linux ... it's a certified UNIX

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But then my view of Linux and Unix are if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck then ....
 
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