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My first BVC in my 5.0ml Nautilus lasted through approximately 55ml of juice. I could have changed it out a little sooner, like maybe after 45ml of juice, when the flavor of the juice started to be a little less. The coil didn't burn out, but it became harder to draw on, and as I said, the juice flavor started to fade.

Number of days? Kind of irrelevant in my opinion. We all vape with different numbers of delivery devices and at different rates, but for what it's worth, I put that 55ml of juice through the BVC in 11 days. I think the amount of juice vaped is a much more useful figure than number of days of use.
 
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Thank you for that. Is the tip on the NJoy longer than the empty bottle tip you get from Wizard Labs? I looked all over trying to find a picture of an NJoy bottle, not box, and discovered they make 10mg too. Bottle will apparently cost you $7.99 to see.
I have never ordered from WIzard so I have no idea... So I took a ruler to it. It is just shy of half an inch long right at 7/16ths. Hope that helps

Edit: It makes filling the CE4 they sell a piece of cake as the tip will fit all the way down between the top silicone grommet and the side of the clearo. No tilting necessary.
 
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Thank you all for the welcome. I will just put my high chair over here and have a seat. MattB101- when did you serve? 86-06 for me.

No need for a high chair Tex. Y'all take my rocker. I will just park my kitty self on the porch floor in that nice sunbeam over there. ;)

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My first BVC in my 5.0ml Nautilus lasted through approximately 55ml of juice. I could have changed it out a little sooner, like maybe after 45ml of juice, when the flavor of the juice started to be a little less. The coil didn't burn out, but it became harder to draw on, and as I said, the juice flavor started to fade.

Number of days? Kind of irrelevant in my opinion. We all vape with different numbers of delivery devices and at different rates, but for what it's worth, I put that 55ml of juice through the BVC in 11 days. I think the amount of juice vaped is a much more useful figure than number of days of use.

Well, except that each coil uses juice at a different rate. If you don't produce lots of clouds, you are using less juice. But you could be vaping more.
Vaporizing less juice at a time will also make the coil last longer, but give you less nic per pull.

Unfortunately (or fortunately) everyone's results will vary. :)
 

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Well, except that each coil uses juice at a different rate. If you don't produce lots of clouds, you are using less juice. But you could be vaping more.
Vaporizing less juice at a time will also make the coil last longer, but give you less nic per pull.

Unfortunately (or fortunately) everyone's results will vary. :)
All true, but "amount of juice vaped" is still a more accurate measurement than "number of days used". I'll add "power setting" to the variables.

On a somewhat related subject, I bought 10 BVC coils from MFS and 5 from 101vape. It appears that the ones from 101vape are counterfeit. I know people have mentioned before that this was a possibility and that 101vape denies responsibility. That's a shame. The 5 coils from 101vape cost me more than the 10 from MFS, and it's now more than 14 days since I received the orders. I guess I'll just have to chalk the 101vape coils up as a loss. Pepper, didn't you order some of those as well? Are they even worth trying?
 

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This might be a stupid question, but why would you need to go low sub-Ohm when you have a variable wattage device? You can pretty much select whatever power you want to run the coil at, independent of the resistance.

I suspect that is a matter of taste honestly. think of it this way. No matter what device you have Volts, Ohms and Watts. Even if the device will not let you set the volts. It is just calculating them for you from the Ohms and Watss (Ohm's Law). So lets think about this in Volts for simplicity sake (since they are always there anyways.

If I put a .5 ohm build on a mech. My volts are whatever the batterys current charge is. so it might be anything between 3.0 volts on up to 4.2 volts. Now as I use that battery the volts will drop and my vape will degrade as they do. On a regulated device it keeps a constant wattage and adjusts the voltage (boosting it) as the battery degrades. You should in theory get a more consistent vape.
Just catching up, apologies for the late answer but I know I was curious about this myself before I started using mechanical mods.

The short answer to the question is real world physics.

The more useful answer is that wattage or power in the real world vs the idealized model used for physics calculations is not the same. That is to say that a coil made from a few wraps of thin wire, say 32 gauge Kanthal, compared to a coil made with a bunch of wraps of thicker 26 gauge will not behave the same even if they have the same electrical resistance which means they'd use the same Wattage for a given output voltage. The mass of metal in the wire is different. The ratio of exposed wire vs wire touching a wet wick is different as is the amount of surface area exposed. And so on. Which means that although you apply the same power, wattage, to both coils the resulting vape will be different. Then add in the fact that most people prefer the vape provided by a large mass of wire (lower gauge) vs smaller and you get to sub ohm coils. Add in the nice feature of vv/vw devices, constant power across the life of the battery. Now you end up with people wanting vv/vw devices to work on sub ohm coils.

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All true, but "amount of juice vaped" is still a more accurate measurement than "number of days used". I'll add "power setting" to the variables.

On a somewhat related subject, I bought 10 BVC coils from MFS and 5 from 101vape. It appears that the ones from 101vape are counterfeit. I know people have mentioned before that this was a possibility and that 101vape denies responsibility. That's a shame. The 5 coils from 101vape cost me more than the 10 from MFS, and it's now more than 14 days since I received the orders. I guess I'll just have to chalk the 101vape coils up as a loss. Pepper, didn't you order some of those as well? Are they even worth trying?

Yes I did, my problem is, I put them all in a box and don't know which boxes are which. All my boxes checked out as being authentic, you know the scratch thing on the back checked at Aspire. I had seen a thread over on Nickoticket about someone buying a pkg and they were duds. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/nicoticket/590300-yay-new-bvc-coils-great.html I haven't been back to check this thread but she said 101 would not stand behind the purchase. I don't know if her coils checked out as being authentic or not. I have since ordered from 101, just not the BVC's.

Get mine at SunVapers Aspire Nautilus BVC Single Coil (Replacement heads) - Sun-Vapers.com 10.99
 

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Yes I did, my problem is, I put them all in a box and don't know which boxes are which. All my boxes checked out as being authentic, you know the scratch thing on the back checked at Aspire. I had seen a thread over on Nickoticket about someone buying a pkg and they were duds. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/nicoticket/590300-yay-new-bvc-coils-great.html I haven't been back to check this thread but she said 101 would not stand behind the purchase. I don't know if her coils checked out as being authentic or not. I have since ordered from 101, just not the BVC's.

Get mine at SunVapers Aspire Nautilus BVC Single Coil (Replacement heads) - Sun-Vapers.com 10.99
The number beneath the scratch-off on the box of 5 that I got from 101vape, when entered on the Aspire website, yields "no such number". In addition, the ones from MFS say "BVC" on the barcode label, but the ones from 101vape do not state what type they are.
 
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Thank you all for the welcome. I will just put my high chair over here and have a seat. MattB101- when did you serve? 86-06 for me.

Went in 75 and retired in 95. Mostly all small boys. USS Dupont (DD-941) and USS Dalgren (DDG-43), instructor tour at Dam Neck and then FLTDECGRULANT (Deception Group Atlantic, sshhhh! It's secret :) ) then closed out as Space and Electronic Warfare Commander for PHIBRON TWO. I was a OSCS (E-8) when I hung it up.

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Yeah, your mileage will vary. I noticed with the air holes set in the 2 smallest I went through more juice. Seemed to depend on the flavor where I put it. They seem to work pretty well though.

PBusardo talked about that in one of his vids. The tighter the draw the more juice it pulls in because of the vacuum formed in the chamber.

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Just catching up, apologies for the late answer but I know I was curious about this myself before I started using mechanical mods.

The short answer to the question is real world physics.

The more useful answer is that wattage or power in the real world vs the idealized model used for physics calculations is not the same. That is to say that a coil made from a few wraps of thin wire, say 32 gauge Kanthal, compared to a coil made with a bunch of wraps of thicker 26 gauge will not behave the same even if they have the same electrical resistance which means they'd use the same Wattage for a given output voltage. The mass of metal in the wire is different. The ratio of exposed wire vs wire touching a wet wick is different as is the amount of surface area exposed. And so on. Which means that although you apply the same power, wattage, to both coils the resulting vape will be different. Then add in the fact that most people prefer the vape provided by a large mass of wire (lower gauge) vs smaller and you get to sub ohm coils. Add in the nice feature of vv/vw devices, constant power across the life of the battery. Now you end up with people wanting vv/vw devices to work on sub ohm coils.

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True and I am building a mod to do that even as we speak. Details to follow as soon as all the parts arrive but, it's going to be based on the SX350 board going all the way up to 60 watts just in case I want to toast some bread for breakfast! :D

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The number beneath the scratch-off on the box of 5 that I got from 101vape, when entered on the Aspire website, yields "no such number". In addition, the ones from MFS say "BVC" on the barcode label, but the ones from 101vape do not state what type they are.

Personally I would just try one. What have you got to lose, they aren't going to take them back anyway.

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Just catching up, apologies for the late answer but I know I was curious about this myself before I started using mechanical mods.

The short answer to the question is real world physics.

The more useful answer is that wattage or power in the real world vs the idealized model used for physics calculations is not the same. That is to say that a coil made from a few wraps of thin wire, say 32 gauge Kanthal, compared to a coil made with a bunch of wraps of thicker 26 gauge will not behave the same even if they have the same electrical resistance which means they'd use the same Wattage for a given output voltage. The mass of metal in the wire is different. The ratio of exposed wire vs wire touching a wet wick is different as is the amount of surface area exposed. And so on. Which means that although you apply the same power, wattage, to both coils the resulting vape will be different. Then add in the fact that most people prefer the vape provided by a large mass of wire (lower gauge) vs smaller and you get to sub ohm coils. Add in the nice feature of vv/vw devices, constant power across the life of the battery. Now you end up with people wanting vv/vw devices to work on sub ohm coils.

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Well said bsop. When a bunch of us were moving from 'straw' SS wicks to 'solid' SS wicks and then to ceramic stone wicks - I picked up the mantra "Watts do not matter is, it's all about wire temp". Not only the thickness/gauge of the wire, number of wraps, etc. the wick's themselves are acting like heat sinks. For a given resistance of the coil when going from one wick stylel to another we were upping our volts to offset that effect and bring the wire up to temperature. Now with silica, hemp, cotton, ramie, and rayon - that's not a significant factor any more, so it's basically how much wire are you're heating up and how much coolant (amount of juice) is in contact w/ the heater element (coil).
 

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I am of the more area exposed to juice the better mindset. I made a coil with 10 wraps on a approx 2.25mm drill bit. Not sure what size exactly but bigger than 2mm. I figure 10 wraps will allow more juice to be touched by hot coil. Ohmed out at 1.8 ohm therefore required more wattage. I am vaping it at 14 to 14.5 watts. Using rayon by the way. Not quite sure about the purpose of sub ohm coils when we now have high wattage regulated devices. Can someone splain why a sub ohm coil is better than a regular (1.5 to 2 ohm) coil with higher wattage?

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The number beneath the scratch-off on the box of 5 that I got from 101vape, when entered on the Aspire website, yields "no such number". In addition, the ones from MFS say "BVC" on the barcode label, but the ones from 101vape do not state what type they are.

oops!, :homy: well true they won't take them back so you might as well try them, nothing to lose. When I got the tanks I checked all of them to see if they were authentic, I didn't think about checking the coils until I read that post over at Nickoticket. Maybe 101 got had by a supplier, who knows cause they seem like a good company. I was hesitant at first to say anything cause I wasn't sure about the rules on such info. BUT SunVapes has been great too and the best price I have seen at the moment.

I have been distracted since I got the Kayfun, Nautilus' are not seeing much action. Ordered another one. :2cool:
 

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oops!, :homy: well true they won't take them back so you might as well try them, nothing to lose. When I got the tanks I checked all of them to see if they were authentic, I didn't think about checking the coils until I read that post over at Nickoticket. Maybe 101 got had by a supplier, who knows cause they seem like a good company. I was hesitant at first to say anything cause I wasn't sure about the rules on such info. BUT SunVapes has been great too and the best price I have seen at the moment.

I have been distracted since I got the Kayfun, Nautilus' are not seeing much action. Ordered another one. :2cool:

Sweet-Vapes also has a good price on the Naut-BVC's but they're OOS on the 1.8's ATM.
 

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Actually when you think about it, the easiest thing to "clone" would be the sticker. Get one, copy the number, call a printer, order 97 gazillion fake stickers. You can make a vamo an "official" MVP.

And no, once you check it they don't remove it. Just fur da halibutt I entered a sticker number a few times over a few days. Still "authentic".

So unless they change the web sites to "already checked" once you check it... it's pointless. And the marketing agent who thot it up should be fired since all it's doing is adding credibility to clones. And bad clones make the company look reeaaaallly bad.
 

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I have never ordered from WIzard so I have no idea... So I took a ruler to it. It is just shy of half an inch long right at 7/16ths. Hope that helps

Edit: It makes filling the CE4 they sell a piece of cake as the tip will fit all the way down between the top silicone grommet and the side of the clearo. No tilting necessary.

Thank you Myrany! :) That sounds like a good length, Davide's need a long tip. I can't find NJoy around here, no surprise, but will go a hunting in Portland. I'd like to try it for the heck of it and if I get a bottle with a long tip in it so much the better. Love needle tips, except in the pocket.
 
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