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PS: I'm not doubting those who notice a difference, I'm just glad that I myself don't.

Likewise!


... but I'm more interested in just being able to replicate/adjust the recipe, so I don't bother with that.

Have I recently posted my first three rules of DIY?

1) Take copious recipe notes
2) Annotate all recipe changes
3) Follow 1 & 2 religiously
 

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I had problems manipulating syringes with my bad hands, so I got a scale, Amazon.com: American Weigh Scale Ac-650 Digital Pocket Gram Scale, Black, 650 G X 0.1 G: Health & Personal Care and am convinced that weighing is much, much easier. I do use a large syringe to put my premixed base into the bottles (though I think I'm going to steal the flip top bottle idea now) then drip the flavors directly in until the weight is right. No muss, no fuss, virtually no clean up, what's not to like?

If you are a real purist you are supposed to figure out the exact weight to volume ratio for each ingredient, but I'm more interested in just being able to replicate/adjust the recipe, so I don't bother with that.

Honestly I just use a set of graduated cylinders. I have a couple of small 10 mL ones that have enough divisions to be just fine for the small amounts of nic and flavorings. Then a couple of larger 100 mL ones for the PG/VG. Heck with syringes. Between the cylinders and a couple of small funnels it is easy peasy on the hands.

Added side benefit...no more shooting the needle off the end of the syringe into the bottle!

To those that are new to DIY and DO try syringes. Before you use them cover the markings on them with clear packing tape. PG/VG will take the markings right off them in no time flat otherwise.

Edit: Also Painters tape and a sharpie to write on it are a great way to label your DIY. It stays put and when you do want to remove the label peels off without leaving a sticky mess.
 
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My minimal DIY requirements (YMMV):

nic
VG
PG
flavors
e-Juice Me Up calculator
20ml syringe
5ml syringes
1ml syringes
30ml bottles
5 - 10ml bottles (for test samples)
120ml bottle (for bulk nic/PG/VG base)
100ml graduated glass cylinder (for bulk base mixing)

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Hmmmm
Nic (in PG)
Flavorings
1 2ml syringe with blunt tip needle
1 10 ml syringe with blunt tip needle
1 oil and vinegar glass carafe with glass plug (for holding "blank" base)
1 small plastic funnel for filling the previous without spills
1 "the perfect beaker" with lid ( for mixing 50/50 PG/VG "blank" base)
Liquix app for iPad

I add the nic, flavoring, and base to my bottles separately and I'm ready to vape.
I love this beaker, because sometimes when you pour out the PG or VG, you go over a line...
And this measures in:
ML/CCM
PINT
CUPS
OZ
TBSP.
TSP.
so I can always switch to a different line without having to go too far.
 

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My understanding is that freezing premade juice doesn't last as long as just the nic, which lasts for years. Perhaps it premade in the fridge. Whatever. You are knowledgeable (except when the Sloth mumbles) and neck deep into vaping, your next step should be into DIY. Even if you don't want to go that route do yourself a favor and lay in a reasonable supply of nic in your freezer. You'll be able to get the PG, VG and flavorings but the nic is what is predicted to go.
Ha! You must be speaking of some other sloth, because I never mumble. Sometimes I shout incoherently, but I always do it distinctly.

I was going to respond to this post earlier today, but I had to leave early for a meeting, and I was looking for this post:
Report from Sun Vaporer that his refrigerated ejuice went bad. I haven't found any other similar reports, so who knows? Not me. The theory was that condensation from the refrigerator being open and closed was the culprit. In the meantime, all of my nic base is sitting unmixed in amber glass bottles inside a box in the basement.
 

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Yes, I only freeze my nic. My mixed juices and flavorings are kept on the shelf in the cabinet. Someone told me once that keeping the juice in the fridge means that condensation can form on the bottle and dilute it.
You can't freeze nic, but you can keep it in the freezer. Regarding condensation, outside the bottle doesn't count. It's moisture that gets inside the bottle that can be destructive.

Also, in the most recent thread linked to by Papa Sloth, chemist Kurt theorizes that there can be an exothermic reaction with some already-flavored juice which refrigerator storage can accelerate, resulting in vinegar production or worse. The spoilage problem reported by Sun Vaporer in that thread does not seem to be common, but there's no indication that refrigerator storage offers any benefit for flavored juices. Several people in this thread have already made such statements and now that I'm an expert :vapor: I'll join the chorus.

On a related note, keep the cap on when you remove a bottle from the freezer until the juice has warmed to room temperature because if you take the cap off, moisture will be drawn in at an especially fast rate as the juice warms.

Honestly I just use a set of graduated cylinders. I have a couple of small 10 mL ones that have enough divisions to be just fine for the small amounts of nic and flavorings. Then a couple of larger 100 mL ones for the PG/VG. Heck with syringes. Between the cylinders and a couple of small funnels it is easy peasy on the hands.

Added side benefit...no more shooting the needle off the end of the syringe into the bottle!
100% agreement here. If I knew then what I know now I'd have skipped syringes altogether and just purchased a 10ml and a 100ml graduated cylinder. Maybe a 50ml instead of or in addition to the 100ml. I really like my plastic 50ml graduated cylinder because of the clarity of the blue markings. They're easier for me to read than the red markings on my 100ml glass cylinder. The smaller the diameter of the cylinder, the further apart are the markings of course, which is another reason that I tend to reach for the 50ml cylinder instead of the 100ml cylinder if I don't need the extra capacity.

Regarding shooting needles: are you certain that the needle doesn't have a Luer Lock that can be secured with a twist? I used my blunt 4" needles for months before realizing that they could be locked into place.

Side note on measuring: All of the liquids we use for vaping have an unlevel surface at the top when put into a container. The surface is concave (it dips down in the center). The center is called the meniscus. The curved surface can be more pronounced in a glass cylinder than in a plastic cylinder. For the most accurate measuring technique, have the cylinder (or syringe, or beaker) at eye level and read your measurement at the meniscus (the LOWEST part in the center of the cylinder).
 
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You can't freeze nic, but you can keep it in the freezer. Regarding condensation, outside the bottle doesn't count. It's moisture that gets inside the bottle that can be destructive.

Also, in the most recent thread linked to by Papa Sloth, chemist Kurt theorizes that there can be an exothermic reaction with some already-flavored juice which refrigerator storage can accelerate, resulting in vinegar production or worse. The spoilage problem reported by Sun Vaporer in that thread does not seem to be common, but there's no indication that refrigerator storage offers any benefit for flavored juices. Several people in this thread have already made such statements and now that I'm an expert :vapor: I'll join the chorus.

On a related note, keep the cap on when you remove a bottle from the freezer until the juice has warmed to room temperature because if you take the cap off, moisture will be drawn in at an especially fast rate as the juice warms.

100% agreement here. If I knew then what I know now I'd have skipped syringes altogether and just purchased a 10ml and a 100ml graduated cylinder. Maybe a 50ml instead of or in addition to the 100ml. I really like my plastic 50ml graduated cylinder because of the clarity of the blue markings. They're easier for me to read than the red markings on my 100ml glass cylinder. The smaller the diameter of the cylinder, the further apart are the markings of course, which is another reason that I tend to reach for the 50ml cylinder instead of the 100ml cylinder if I don't need the extra capacity.

Regarding shooting needles: are you certain that the needle doesn't have a Luer Lock that can be secured with a twist? I used my blunt 4" needles for months before realizing that they could be locked into place.

Side note on measuring: All of the liquids we use for vaping have an unlevel surface at the top when put into a container. The surface is concave (it dips down in the center). The center is called the meniscus. The curved surface can be more pronounced in a glass cylinder than in a plastic cylinder. For the most accurate measuring technique, have the cylinder (or syringe, or beaker) at eye level and read your measurement at the meniscus (the LOWEST part in the center of the cylinder).

The syringes I was having the escapee needle syndrome on do not have luer locks.

And yep I am quite familiar with proper measure using the Meniscus. I taught math and science (Including Chemistry) for years. ;) But it is good info for those that do not know it. Let me extend it to you need to take that into account even when using syringes. Not only the meniscus if you didn't get a good draw and have air in there but the end of the plunger is curved like a meniscus.
 

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Honestly I just use a set of graduated cylinders. I have a couple of small 10 mL ones that have enough divisions to be just fine for the small amounts of nic and flavorings. Then a couple of larger 100 mL ones for the PG/VG. Heck with syringes. Between the cylinders and a couple of small funnels it is easy peasy on the hands.

Added side benefit...no more shooting the needle off the end of the syringe into the bottle!

To those that are new to DIY and DO try syringes. Before you use them cover the markings on them with clear packing tape. PG/VG will take the markings right off them in no time flat otherwise.

Edit: Also Painters tape and a sharpie to write on it are a great way to label your DIY. It stays put and when you do want to remove the label peels off without leaving a sticky mess.

On the needle shooting off thing, I only buy Laure (sp) lock syringes and needles. That way they can't pop off. If you are not familiar with them, they twist lock on.

Sent from my Galaxy Note 2 Android phone on a keyboard that waaayyy too small (or my thumbs are waaayyy too big).
 

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Thank you all for the plethora of info and opinions on DYI!!! At least I have the basics in the mail, already, and on its way. I will be looking into flavors and equipment, beakers, bottles and such in the next few days while I wait for vape mail to arrive. I do have a fair amount of empty bottles washed and stored. Might be enough if I get some measuring equipment besides the 10 mil syringes with lure-lok blunt tips I use for draining Kayfuns and such. Yes I have new ones in the packages still. I will pick up a big bottle of Vodka on my next liquor store run.:)

Once again, my thanks to all!!!:vapor: vape on!
 

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I will pick up a big bottle of Vodka on my next liquor store run.:)
It often takes a substantial amount of vodka just to clean a single clearo.

For example, I needed some glass bottles with wire-attached tops for my nic joose. I found some excellent ones with vodka pre-installed. It's called "360 Double Chocolate" vodka. However, with the chocolate added I'm not even going to attempt to use it for clearo cleaning. It's dang good.
 

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It often takes a substantial amount of vodka just to clean a single clearo.

For example, I needed some glass bottles with wire-attached tops for my nic joose. I found some excellent ones with vodka pre-installed. It's called "360 Double Chocolate" vodka. However, with the chocolate added I'm not even going to attempt to use it for clearo cleaning. It's dang good.

There they go. Marketing to kidz again. DEM BASTIDZ!!!!!!!!
 

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There they go. Marketing to kidz again. DEM BASTIDZ!!!!!!!!

But the bottles have childproof caps. ;)

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It's called "360 Double Chocolate" vodka. However, with the chocolate added I'm not even going to attempt to use it for clearo cleaning. It's dang good.

Lovely! Been a while, but I gave up on a good chocolate joose recipe... but I'm always open fer a choc adult beverage! Besides, ya don't want to gunk up your coils (vaping, that is) ...
 

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I have spent a while today at j-wraps, salivating over Dragon , but decided that I could be able to save $15 by transferring my old White & Blue Flower to my new Vamo. I mean, $15 for a piece of printed plastic? If you are going to spend that much, it should hold up to being transferred without tearing or stretching, right??




























:D success!!! But I will still long for that dragon.
 

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The syringes I was having the escapee needle syndrome on do not have luer locks.

And yep I am quite familiar with proper measure using the Meniscus. I taught math and science (Including Chemistry) for years. ;) But it is good info for those that do not know it. Let me extend it to you need to take that into account even when using syringes. Not only the meniscus if you didn't get a good draw and have air in there but the end of the plunger is curved like a meniscus.

I usually draw a little air into the syringe before I suck up any liquid because I can see the bottom of that meniscus better. Plus, I figure pushing the air out behind the liquid cleans out the needle too.

I have spent a while today at j-wraps, salivating over Dragon , but decided that I could be able to save $15 by transferring my old White & Blue Flower to my new Vamo. I mean, $15 for a piece of printed plastic? If you are going to spend that much, it should hold up to being transferred without tearing or stretching, right??



:D success!!! But I will still long for that dragon.
That's the same wrap I have on my Pthingy and I love it. Haven't tried to take the JWrap off, but I'd think the problem would be not to stretch it. Maybe if you put it in the freezer for a few minutes? I think I've heard of people using contact paper to make a wrap - somebody on this thread?
 
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Haven't tried to take the JWrap off, but I'd think the problem would be not to stretch it. Maybe if you put it in the freezer for a few minutes? I think I've heard of people using contact paper to make a wrap - somebody on this thread?
I had used some of the new patterned duck tape, before the J-wrap arrived-- I ordered it just before those two nasty storms they got last winter. I just buffed any stretching with my finger-tip, and it smoothed it out immediately.
 
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