Older Folks and Vaping Front Porch - Part 2

[PapaSloth]

Still thinking into the future and when i get a rebuildable tank/atomiser is it good to get the original or a clone.
I know this question has been asked many times but seem to get different answers each time.
Figure the folks here know where its at.
Something like a kayfun looking at this kayfun light is that a good one to get and would you get original or clone.
Money is not an issue but value is , saving $10 for the same thing is ok so is paying $50 more for a better one.

I'm not surprised there are so many different answers to this question. There are basically two advantages to buying original:

1). You know exactly what you're getting when you order. This is also true for some clone manufacturers, such as HCigar and EHPro, but not necessarily true for no-name clone manufacturers. There is a huge spread in the build quality of Kayfun Lites between different clone manufacturers. The good ones are every bit as good (or, arguably better) than the originals in terms of quality, but the bad ones can require significant work to "fix" poor manufacturing. The important thing here is to know the actual manufacturer of what you're buying, and to treat each manufacturer's product as a completely separate item when you're looking at reviews and ratings. For example, most people think the EHPro Kayfun Lite Plus V2 is quite good, but that doesn't mean some no-name KFL V2 knockoff is going to be good just because the EHPro is good.

I just had this happen to me. I bought a Tesla clone of the 2six, which is such a new product that there really weren't many reviews to speak of. I got a device with a few pretty significant design and manufacturing problems, and I had to fix those problems myself (grinding and drilling were involved). However, there are other 2six clones available that seem to avoid some of the problems I ran into with the Tesla clone. The truly great thing about clones is that my Tesla cost under $20, while an authentic Tarsius Customs 2six costs around $250, so I can buy another 2six clone from a different manufacturer, have one better clone and one worse clone, and still same $200 over buying an authentic.

2). Giving your money to people who are designing new devices encourages them to design new devices. This one is also debatable, since some of the "clone" companies are now designing their own high-quality, low-price originals. For example, EHPro started out doing clones, but now do their own original devices, including the Big Buddha, which is my favorite Kayfun variation, and the Pontus which I haven't tried, but which some people seem to like a lot. On the other hand, Svoe Mesto who invented the Kayfun doesn't seem to have done anything particularly innovative in quite a while. So, frankly, I'd rather give my money to EHPro.

I personally don't think there's one right answer here. I'd personally rather take a little chance and save a lot of money, but that's just me.

 

[3mg Meniere]

I personally don't think there's one right answer here. I'd personally rather take a little chance and save a lot of money, but that's just me.

I agree with you on this. I would stay away from new products at FT. Read and watch the reviews. If something you are considering has plenty of positive reviews, then give yourself permission to dive in.

 

[MikeE3]

I'm not surprised there are so many different answers to this question. There are basically two advantages to buying original:

Well said Papa -

 

[Absintheur]

Perhaps if the companies that make the counterfeits would use their own company logo on the devices they make instead of copying the original makers logo it would be easier to know who made good quality clones and who made junk. Of course the junk makers could just then copy the copy logo of the cloner making the high quality clones....ummmmmm....

I think I will stick with my originals...

 

[garyoa1]

Gary - I can surely understand that not everyone would like the Nautilus. And when I read your post ^, it made me stop and think if you could have gotten a bad/fake bunch of heads. There are some fakes out there. It just wasn't making sense to me how much it changed you juice.

Using what came with it, Mike. And yeah, I'm not gettin it either. I can see maybe less intense flavor or more intense but changed.... that's weird. Crankin it up a couple watts does help but then I get a hot vape. Not a fan.

Of course I'm going from a dual top coil to a single bottom coil. "Probably" going to make some difference. But without any experience with this tank I'm lost.

I know the i30 and knew something was wrong when it gave less flavor at times and even a dry hit now and then. And to keep it going I sometimes had to tip the mod so the wick got enuff juice. Never had to do that before. I'm assuming the coils are just too tight around the wicks and choking it.

 

[FlamingoTutu]

Perhaps if the companies that make the counterfeits would use their own company logo on the devices they make instead of copying the original makers logo it would be easier to know who made good quality clones and who made junk. Of course the junk makers could just then copy the copy logo of the cloner making the high quality clones....ummmmmm....

I think I will stick with my originals...

That's where I draw the line. A clone is one thing--a copy with, perhaps, a modification--and then there is the counterfeit designed to deceive. Just rubs me the wrong way.

 

[Wolfenstark]

I'm not surprised there are so many different answers to this question. There are basically two advantages to buying original:

1). You know exactly what you're getting when you order. This is also true for some clone manufacturers, such as HCigar and EHPro, but not necessarily true for no-name clone manufacturers. There is a huge spread in the build quality of Kayfun Lites between different clone manufacturers. The good ones are every bit as good (or, arguably better) than the originals in terms of quality, but the bad ones can require significant work to "fix" poor manufacturing. The important thing here is to know the actual manufacturer of what you're buying, and to treat each manufacturer's product as a completely separate item when you're looking at reviews and ratings. For example, most people think the EHPro Kayfun Lite Plus V2 is quite good, but that doesn't mean some no-name KFL V2 knockoff is going to be good just because the EHPro is good.

I just had this happen to me. I bought a Tesla clone of the 2six, which is such a new product that there really weren't many reviews to speak of. I got a device with a few pretty significant design and manufacturing problems, and I had to fix those problems myself (grinding and drilling were involved). However, there are other 2six clones available that seem to avoid some of the problems I ran into with the Tesla clone. The truly great thing about clones is that my Tesla cost under $20, while an authentic Tarsius Customs 2six costs around $250, so I can buy another 2six clone from a different manufacturer, have one better clone and one worse clone, and still same $200 over buying an authentic.

2). Giving your money to people who are designing new devices encourages them to design new devices. This one is also debatable, since some of the "clone" companies are now designing their own high-quality, low-price originals. For example, EHPro started out doing clones, but now do their own original devices, including the Big Buddha, which is my favorite Kayfun variation, and the Pontus which I haven't tried, but which some people seem to like a lot. On the other hand, Svoe Mesto who invented the Kayfun doesn't seem to have done anything particularly innovative in quite a while. So, frankly, I'd rather give my money to EHPro.

I personally don't think there's one right answer here. I'd personally rather take a little chance and save a lot of money, but that's just me.

Thanks PapaSloth and others Did not think to consider not just originals and clones but different manufactures of the clones. I have made a note of HCigar and EHPro.

Earlier today I was looking around at some videos and a person on youtube did not like the EHpro pontus V1.5 at all and yet others may like it.
I gather most store reviews trying to sell products their reviews may not always be accurate ?

I will buy one of these provari p3 when they come out well if i can get hold of one to ship to me. Yet seems for some atomisers that clones can be good and some mods well I have been reading some good opinions on a hana dna30 modz. Though as i type this I see the original company seems to have a dna40 now.
Hmm seems dna30 goes to 30 watts and the dna40 to 40 watts and something about temperature control.
Oh yes I can already see the "in" thing from lets say certain types of people is sub ohms and High wattage. Perhaps this is a good thing but so far to me seems more like young people today that listen to current music because all their friends are and the actual music is not as good as it was many years ago

Now to look at HCigar and EHPro kayfuns​

 

[PapaSloth]

Thanks PapaSloth and others Did not think to consider not just originals and clones but different manufactures of the clones. I have made a note of HCigar and EHPro.

Earlier today I was looking around at some videos and a person on youtube did not like the EHpro pontus V1.5 at all and yet others may like it.
I gather most store reviews trying to sell products their reviews may not always be accurate ?

There are a few people on this board who have the EHPro Kayfun Lite Plus V2 with dual airholes. I personally have an Infinite clone, so I'll let them talk about the EHPro. Some of them recently bought this model from Fluid Vapes:
Dual Airflow Kayfun Lite Plus V2 from EHPro
There's an extra 5% off with coupon code "pegasus".

I know Rip Trippers didn't like the Pontus at all. He didn't think that the mechanism for dripping juice into the evaporation chamber worked very well, and thought the flavors were muted. However, there's an active Pontus thread on the Rebuildables forum on ECF, and most of them seem to like it. I think personal taste and vaping style plays a huge role in the selection of an atomizer. It does make things a lot more complicated though, until you learn exactly what you like and don't like, and no one else can really tell you what the best choice will end up being. Once again, that's a good thing about clones, you can try them out for twenty or thirty dollars, and if you end up not liking them very much, you can always move on to something else. If I spend $150 on an original, I'd be pretty much stuck convincing myself that it was the best thing ever

 

[AllPepperS]

I tried the EHPro Kayfun clones first and liked it a lot. My first for coil building etc. And being curious I got an original. I kept thinking I could tell the difference, but the only time I can really tell the difference is when I am putting it back together, doing the top fill. It's fussier than the clones to thread. I have to look and see now when it's in rotation which one is which. After that I just ordered a couple more clones, my curiosity satisfied and I got 3 I think for the price of one original. So just stay with the good names for clones and you should be good. I am really liking the Infinite StingRay, it was a name I knew. You can read up till the cows come home, there's so much info out there. I know I thought to myself I would want to support the people that designed it, but really I guess they are making money charging 3x as much and the KF folks really haven't done much lately that I see.

I did order a Pegasus mod from an unknown to me maker and sho nuff had a poorly drilled 510 connex, but they stood behind it and are sending me out a new top. I like the clone, but I wasn't livin' with the top. Now that I think about it, maybe it's the place I bought it from and good CS and not the maker hmmmmm Long as it's right. I like value no matter what it is and I don't mind spending if I need to.

I'm betting somebody here can always give you a heads up on what companies are good, what vendors have good CS. For every piece out there, somebody here probably has one or has tried it.

Gary try the BVC's

Hey and welcome all new guys and gals.

 

[Wolfenstark]

Should you be worried about plastic tanks with certain liquids or is that blown out of proportion ?

 

[PapaSloth]

Should you be worried about plastic tanks with certain liquids or is that blown out of proportion ?

Some liquids DO interact with plastic. This WILL cause your tank to be etched over time, until it fails completely. But, if you stay away from those liquids in your plastic tanks, and only use those liquids with glass or steel tanks, you won't have a problem. Remember that just because things react with plastic doesn't necessarily mean they'll be bad for you. On the other hand, some things that are safe to use with plastic may actually cause you health issues. For example, I try to stay away from flavors that contain diacetyls.

This is actually one of the big reasons I bought the Big Buddha, because it has an all-glass tank and I wanted to be able to vape some tank-cracker liquids. The eLeaf Lemo also is a Kayfun-style atty, but with an all glass tank. So, there are some options available outside of just using a completely stainless steel tank.

 

[amoret]

Should you be worried about plastic tanks with certain liquids or is that blown out of proportion ?

From personal experience, I can tell you that yes, some liquids will destroy plastic (actually it is polycarbonate that is the problem, but that is mostly what is used because it is clear and can be threaded) tanks. And, even if you get a glass tank to use for those liquids, it is easy to forget and put the tank cracker liquid (hot cinnamon in my case) into the plastic tank without thinking.

 

[Absintheur]

many of the citrus juices are tank crackers as well

 

[Ken_A]

Should you be worried about plastic tanks with certain liquids or is that blown out of proportion ?

Another yes, worry about it vote here.
I like fruit and candy flavors. Candy, no problem...but most fruit flavors actually degrade the plastic / polycarbonate tanks. I have some that just split at the threads, at the post connection and one that just kind of sagged.
The "hotter" spices will also degrade tanks. Cinimon is the most popular of those.

I personally love the Davide tanks. They take the standard Kanger coils, which I can rebuild. They are glass which I like.
AND I have dropped my PV's on the ceramic tile floor several times and broke my acrylic tips sometimes, but the Davides all have held up well.

RE: trifocals.... I have constant eye movement, and get dizzy wearing them so I got 3D lasic instead.
RE: clones.... I feel there is a big difference between clones and knockoffs. The clones don't pretend to be anything but a slightly modified (sometimes) copy of the original, where the knockoffs pretend to BE the original. I would not buy a pair of "knie" shoes, or "hike" shoes, and you still have to get NIKE from a reputable vendor, or they could fall apart on you.

 

[holimakaru]

Cracked all the plastic tanks I had.
+1 on the Davides, get the same amount of flavor as Mini Nautilus.

 

[bigbells]

Should you be worried about plastic tanks with certain liquids or is that blown out of proportion ?

Both are true, in my opinion. There are some juices that will crack plastic tanks but it isn't a sure thing and doesn't necessarily happen quickly. I tend to think that the problem is over-reported. I've cracked one tank, but it did not crack all the way through. I guess I've probably had a couple more tanks that got etched (cracked) but not enough for me to really worry about it. Maybe I SHOULD have worried about it, but I didn't.

Regarding any health hazard, I don't know enough to have an expert opinion.

As you can see from the post just prior to mine, some people end up with cracked plastic a lot more than others. I'm just reporting my own experience.

 

[amoret]

Cracked all the plastic tanks I had.
+1 on the Davides, get the same amount of flavor as Mini Nautilus.

Yep. After fiddling around with my Nautilus for a couple of weeks I ended up ordering two more Davides, to go with the two that I have already. Of course getting more is still the only way I've figured out to replace the itty bitty o-rings that go on the center tube. Though I haven't lost any lately since I started to only disassemble the Davides over a very fine strainer. So I may have wrecked that excuse for buying more.

 

[DancingHeretik]

I was looking in the Model Specific forum a little while ago. I wanted to see if anyone was still using 801s. I have a bunch of old 801 gear that I'ld like to give to someone who might use it.

The subforums for the 510, 401, 901, 4075, 201, 801, 4072, 4081, and 306 only have closed threads in them. Closed because they haven't been posted in for so long.

The only subforums left open are eGo models, e-cigar models, e-pipe models, KR8088D-1, eRoll, Blu, Disposables, and Vuse. Not even the 510 subforum?!

It feels kind of weird to see all those models fading into oblivion. Of course, the 510 and 306 are still with us. The atomizers are anyway, just not the batteries that they were originally designed for.

And, as usual I'm not willing to let go of things until they're so outdated that I can't even give them away.

 

[FlamingoTutu]

I'm off for about five days but will try to get in so I can try to stay current. You guys have been posting like crazy lately. Good stuff.

I know some of you don't venture too far out of here but you should read the first port here http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...f-founder-me-opinion-piece-cnn-com-today.html and give it a like if you approve. At the bottom of the page, post ten, he gives another very interesting link.It's worth a read.

And last but not least, from RTD Vapor, "We need to make room for new products coming in! The E-liquid, Rebuildable Atomizers and Mod categories are 30% off. Use coupon code RTD30 at checkout. Sale is valid until 10/31/14. Now is the perfect time to get these products at a great price!."

Take care, stay well and have a great week.

 

[MikeE3]

FWIW,

The other day - folks were looking for Koh Gen Do cotton, unsuccessfully. Here's an alternative that gets good reviews. And an ECF friend who uses it, just PM'ed me that he's been using it for quite awhile and is pleased w/ it.

Amazon.com: Cotton Labo ORGANIC Cotton Puff Size M (200pc): Health & Personal Care