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Older Folks and Vaping Front Porch - Part 2

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Here's the actual math that everyone on here seems to hate :)

I love your math, Sloth. :wub: Gives me something to razz you about, plus I usually learn something.

It depends on how heavy a vaper you are, and how much current you're drawing. I go through most of a 3500mAh 26650 battery charge each day. I expect to get around 500 charges off of the battery before it has to be retired, so each battery should last me between 1 and 2 years (if I used it every day, instead of rotating my batteries. I have 9 good batteries right now, so I expect to have enough batteries until around 2025.

2025? $10 says you buy new one before then.Serious question though, does time have any effect on batteries?
 
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Looks like the site will be down in around 10 hours

Wondering if it might go down longer. The server is in San Jose and we're going to have one hell of a storm tomorrow. Up to 65 mph winds (perhaps a bit less for them down there), and around 6" of rain. Pineapple Express coming through. I probably won't have power tomorrow at all. Just hoping a tree doesn't come down on the house and the squirrels buckle-up for the night.
 

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Actually, I use turret caps; ergo no funnels...

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I love those tops! They're great for refilling little bottles that I carry with me.

2025? $10 says you buy new one before then.Serious question though, does time have any effect on batteries?
Batteries won't last forever even if sitting unused. I've heard different things about how to make them last longer when sitting. But, I don't remember which things to do for Li-Ion batteries and which to do for Alkaline batteries. Apparently there's a difference.
 

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USA seems to be the centre of storms , or maybe its just because they make the news a lot compared to other countries.

Our last big cyclone well the one that gets the most talk was cyclone Tracy in Darwin 1974.

I think in the US they yack about and try to emphasize the negatives about storms a lot more. Sensationalism sells. I used to live in the LA area and news crews had a miserable time covering storms because everybody thought a bit of flooding and a few houses washing into the ocean was a good reason to party. They really struggled to find anyone truly upset. Decades ago I remember flipping through a newspaper and seeing a small article on one of the back pages about a typhoon in Bangladesh that took the lives of 25,000 people. I was absolutely floored, and still am, that that many people could die and it was merely a filler piece at the back of a newspaper. Many Americans don't know about anything, much less care, about what goes on in the rest of the world.

You suckered me in and got me started on it, lol.
 

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Batteries won't last forever even if sitting unused. I've heard different things about how to make them last longer when sitting. But, I don't remember which things to do for Li-Ion batteries and which to do for Alkaline batteries. Apparently there's a difference.

I wasn't sure if there is a chemical breakdown (or whatever) in Li-Ions over time. Plus Sloth swears he is going to break even on his vaping costs vs smoking in 2025.
 

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2025? $10 says you buy new one before then.Serious question though, does time have any effect on batteries?

I'm not taking that bet :) Odds that I buy more batteries before 2025 are almost 100%.

Here's what battery university has to say about storing lithium ion batteries. You can store them at a wide range of temperatures, but lower temperatures are better (put them in the freezer). For best results, they should be 40% charged, which is somewhere around 3.82V. A battery that's charged to 40% and stored at 0C will still maintain 98% of its capacity after one year. A fully charged battery stored at room temperature for one year will only maintain 80% of its capacity (however, a 40% charged battery stored at room temperature still maintains 96% of its capacity after a year).

If a battery has stayed at or below 1.5V for a week or more, do not attempt to recharge it. Copper shunts may have formed, which can cause the battery to short out.

So, based on that, normal age of a battery will still cause fairly significant losses in capacity, especially if you store it fully charged (and it's basically dead if you store it discharged for any length of time).
 

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I love those tops! They're great for refilling little bottles that I carry with me.


Batteries won't last forever even if sitting unused. I've heard different things about how to make them last longer when sitting. But, I don't remember which things to do for Li-Ion batteries and which to do for Alkaline batteries. Apparently there's a difference.

Yes, there's a difference with alkaline batteries. According to Energizer, batteries should be stored at room temperature in a dry place. Obviously, you'd be storing batteries mostly fully charged, since they're not rechargeable.
 

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Wow
From flavors, to batteries and back in just one day!
If I am going to leave the house, I take a look at my battery level. If it is below 50%, I put a fresh one in. If I notice that my vape is getting a bit thin, that is one of the first things I check. Waiting until it says "low v" may not always be convenient.
when I leave the house, I check my bat too. If it's getting low, I take another along with me. I keep them in pairs in some 18650 battery holders I got on Amazon.

Fast and sloppy. I ought to present this conversation to the pickiest of the precision measurers in the DIY forum. They would blow a gasket. :facepalm:
Ya want them to go ballistic? Here is what I do:
I put 50% PG 50% VG into a sealable beaker.
When it's time to make more, I just put about somewhere around 1ml of flavoring.
Then I put about 2.5 ml of my 4.8% NIC. More if I want stronger, less if I want weaker...
Then I use the 50/50 "blank" to fill up the rest of the bottle...
How's that for precision?
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The mod arrived today

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Now i'm charging the batteries.
nice one!
 

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I'm not taking that bet :) Odds that I buy more batteries before 2025 are almost 100%.

Here's what battery university has to say about storing lithium ion batteries. You can store them at a wide range of temperatures, but lower temperatures are better (put them in the freezer). For best results, they should be 40% charged, which is somewhere around 3.82V. A battery that's charged to 40% and stored at 0C will still maintain 98% of its capacity after one year. A fully charged battery stored at room temperature for one year will only maintain 80% of its capacity (however, a 40% charged battery stored at room temperature still maintains 96% of its capacity after a year).

If a battery has stayed at or below 1.5V for a week or more, do not attempt to recharge it. Copper shunts may have formed, which can cause the battery to short out.

So, based on that, normal age of a battery will still cause fairly significant losses in capacity, especially if you store it fully charged (and it's basically dead if you store it discharged for any length of time).

Interesting, though over a one year period that doesn't surprise me too much. We used NiCad batteries in the USFS and I hated those things. Memory was always getting messed up in those and your radio would die, usually when you needed it the most. "Fire's making a run straight for...!" Pfft. When mine stop holding a decent charge, it's time to recycle.
 

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I think PapaSloth is doing ok with the costs - well I spent around more than half his advertised spending on liquids this year.

Those were tests to see which ones were good but now it just makes DIY liquids look very appealing.

Yep, I've spent a lot so far (and I've kept meticulous count), but I have 4 atty's I really like, 4 mods that work with them, and enough e-liquid components to last me for a few years. I'm sure I'll be buying more flavors at some point, and more consumables (like batteries), but I'm pretty well prepared for the vapocalypse, and I really do expect my spending to go down. If I had to, I could stop spending entirely for the 2 months it would take me to break even (but I know I'll get there either way. Cigarettes are just really expensive, and not having to spend $5/day on them adds up quickly).
 

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Ya want them to go ballistic? Here is what I do:
I put 50% PG 50% VG into a sealable beaker.
When it's time to make more, I just put about somewhere around 1ml of flavoring.
Then I put about 2.5 ml of my 4.8% NIC. More if I want stronger, less if I want weaker...
Then I use the 50/50 "blank" to fill up the rest of the bottle...
How's that for precision?

Oh how I envy you.
 

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I think these samsung batteries I got are lithium & Nickel ?
They're INR

Baditude (the resident battery expert here, before he had to take a vacation from the forum) mentioned these:

Samsung Li Ion (LiNiCoMnP)
INR18650-20R 2000mah 20A

They're a variation of IMR batteries with nickel and cobalt, and they're safe for vaping up to 20A draw.
 

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Yep, I've spent a lot so far (and I've kept meticulous count), but I have 4 atty's I really like, 4 mods that work with them, and enough e-liquid components to last me for a few years. I'm sure I'll be buying more flavors at some point, and more consumables (like batteries), but I'm pretty well prepared for the vapocalypse, and I really do expect my spending to go down. If I had to, I could stop spending entirely for the 2 months it would take me to break even (but I know I'll get there either way. Cigarettes are just really expensive, and not having to spend $5/day on them adds up quickly).

Factor in what your future medical expenses would have been, plus how much better you feel now and how much you enjoy fiddling with ecigs, and you are way ahead.


NOTICE: 50 pages before we have to move. Can we have a beach view from the new porch? Don't have to be on it, just see it from the porch. :)
 
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Yep, I've spent a lot so far (and I've kept meticulous count), but I have 4 atty's I really like, 4 mods that work with them, and enough e-liquid components to last me for a few years. I'm sure I'll be buying more flavors at some point, and more consumables (like batteries), but I'm pretty well prepared for the vapocalypse, and I really do expect my spending to go down. If I had to, I could stop spending entirely for the 2 months it would take me to break even (but I know I'll get there either way. Cigarettes are just really expensive, and not having to spend $5/day on them adds up quickly).

I choose to forget about the bad purchases - Though its an enjoyable experience on the whole.

Trying to stop the purchase until next year - Though these lemo drops read nice.

Around say 90 feet of 28 gauge and the same 26 well 30 meters of each and not really sure how much I've used. still around 4 meters of rayon and 5 pads of KGD Four batteries for this new mod but is that enough and for how long.

Think i'll see if i can pick up some beakers or similar at a shop around here for DIY.
 

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Think i'll see if i can pick up some beakers or similar at a shop around here for DIY.

I haven't much felt the need for beakers. Mostly I make small batches directly into a bottle (30ml batches into a 60ml bottle, or 100ml batches into a 120ml bottle). I use a 100ml graduated cylinder for the bigger batches, and I just use syringes to squirt liquids into the bottles for the smaller batches. But that's just me, if you think beakers will help, then you should be able to pick some up without too much trouble. The things I've found most useful are 5ml syringes with 18gauge needles, and one big 30ml syringe for measuring VG (I got it at a local pet store, where they sell them as feeding syringes). I use a 1ml syringe fairly often as well, but mostly the 5ml syringe.

Oh, and I use a 180ml squeeze bottle for dispensing VG into the 30ml syringe or graduated cylinder.
 
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