Older Folks and Vaping Front Porch - Part Four

[LittleBird]

I was an amendment to an appropriations bill, the reason certain states were singled out was because their reps were the ones that had the potential to get this passed in committee. The gist of it is that when/if the FDA puts their proposed regulations into place, anything that wasn't on the market prior to the grandfather date would have to be pulled, and go through an expensive and very difficult process to be approved. The current grandfather date is 2007 which will basically kill the entire vaping industry. The amendment on this particular bill changes the grandfather date to after the regulations take effect.
Previous attempts have been made to change the grandfather date and have failed, which is why this was pushed through as an amendment to an unrelated bill, a practice I normally despise but in this case I'm overlooking. The bill was passed in committee with the amendment (good news) but still has to be passed by congress as a whole. (possibly bad news)

From what I've read and heard, it is highly unlikely that congress won't pass the appropriations bill. This is an election year, as we've all noticed . No one will shut down the government in an election year.

I watched the presentation of the amendment by Mr. Cole and the heard the comments, both for and against. I am once again reminded that you can't fix stupid.

 

[DaveP]

From what I've read and heard, it is highly unlikely that congress won't pass the appropriations bill. This is an election year, as we've all noticed . No one will shut down the government in an election year.

I watched the presentation of the amendment by Mr. Cole and the heard the comments, both for and against. I am once again reminded that you can't fix stupid.

I suspect you are right, especially with a sitting democrat who wants another one to take his place.

 

[Vape?]

I knew it had been totally banned and is illegal in one state here. Arkansas got the bullet, too? I think the fact that it's illegal to sell nicotine here( except in tobacco) is what's kept it from taking off. It's an expensive pain getting it shipped, and customs could seize it if they wanted to. Carton of smokes here is up to 150 . Most is tax. That all sounds like trouble.

 

[DaveP]

I knew it had been totally banned and is illegal in one state here. Arkansas got the bullet, too? I think the fact that it's illegal to sell nicotine here( except in tobacco) is what's kept it from taking off. It's an expensive pain getting it shipped, and customs could seize it if they wanted to. Carton of smokes here is up to 150 . Most is tax. That all sounds like trouble.

So, vape juice is banned in Arkansas?

 

[Kenna]

They aren't ... yet ... but as smoking ceases and vaping increases I'm betting that taxes on vaping will help them to some extent. They surely don't want the tobacco companies to decline to a point where the tobacco settlement money dries up. You can't get blood from a turnip.

There's always DIY for juice. That, and the stash of mods we all have stocked up before the ban. Seriously, eventually the master agreement will run out and the states will look elsewhere for contributions. They've set a precedent and now they are hooked on the private assistance payments from BT.

They will ban any equipment, devices & juice not under the control of BT, &/or BP. Vaping will be limited to those 2 sources, with only tobacco or menthol, wintergreen flavors allowed. Most of what has worked to keep people off of smoking will be banned, unless you diy & jave already stocked your nic & devices. And they may ban the devices except for cigalikes.

 

[DaveP]

They will ban any equipment, devices & juice not under the control of BT, &/or BP. Vaping will be limited to those 2 sources, with only tobacco or menthol, wintergreen flavors allowed. Most of what has worked to keep people off of smoking will be banned, unless you diy & jave already stocked your nic & devices. And they may ban the devices except for cigalikes.

I've not moved to DIY yet, but could at the drop of a hat if juice were outlawed. I've always thought that a vaping ban would also outlaw DIY components that contained nicotine, so no PG/VG/Nic base after a ban. I might want to stock up on DIY supplies. My state, Georgia has already kicked around a bill that would screw up online sales and require all vendors to buy from licensed vendors inside the state that are regulated by government agencies for cleanliness and with standards for ensuring juice quality.

 

[Kenna]

I've not moved to DIY yet, but could at the drop of a hat if juice were outlawed. I've always thought that a vaping ban would also outlaw DIY components that contained nicotine, so no PG/VG/Nic base after a ban. I might want to stock up on DIY supplies. My state, Georgia has already kicked around a bill that would screw up online sales and require all vendors to buy from licensed vendors inside the state that are regulated by government agencies for cleanliness and with standards for ensuring juice quality.

So why are you waiting to stock up on nic?

 

[DavidOck]

I've not moved to DIY yet, but could at the drop of a hat if juice were outlawed. I've always thought that a vaping ban would also outlaw DIY components that contained nicotine, so no PG/VG/Nic base after a ban. I might want to stock up on DIY supplies. My state, Georgia has already kicked around a bill that would screw up online sales and require all vendors to buy from licensed vendors inside the state that are regulated by government agencies for cleanliness and with standards for ensuring juice quality.

So why are you waiting to stock up on nic?

My thoughts exactly!

PG and VG will still be available, even if not from a vape biz. Nic may become REAL hard to acquire. Just keep it sealed, away from light and in the freezer, good that way for years.

 

[Vape?]

So, vape juice is banned in Arkansas?

I decided to try mount baker eliquid, and the site specifically stated that they could no longer ship Nic juice to Arkansas.

 

[2legsshrt]

They will ban any equipment, devices & juice not under the control of BT, &/or BP. Vaping will be limited to those 2 sources, with only tobacco or menthol, wintergreen flavors allowed. Most of what has worked to keep people off of smoking will be banned, unless you diy & jave already stocked your nic & devices. And they may ban the devices except for cigalikes.

IDK I might have to get 1 more liter if I keep liking the higher nic I am using. I have 1 in the freezer plenty of flavoring to last a long long time lots of devices and parts. I saw an ad from MFS that said might be your last chance to get a liter for $40 better check that out.

 

[garyoa1]

This chart suggests e-cigarettes are doomed

 

[2legsshrt]

This chart suggests e-cigarettes are doomed

That's encouraging.

 

[LittleBird]

I see things a bit differently ...

Representatives Cole (R-OK) and Bishop (D-GA) proposed an amendment to the FY2017 Agriculture Appropriations Bill to change the predicate date from 4/2007 to the effective date of the "Deeming regs." That amendment was adopted in a 31-19 vote. While it is always possible that Congress will fail to pass the Appropriations Bill, such an action would result in a government shutdown. Absent such action, mods on the market as of the predicate date will be grandfathered; new entrants to the market will have to demonstrate substantial equivalence. The amendment also addresses juice, imposing more strict labeling requirements, child-proofing, and oversight of the manufacturing process - all actions that the FDA regulates for products under its purview. There is no mention of the sale of nicotine in the amendment.

Do I think it likely that vaping supplies will be taxed at a higher rate than they (we) enjoy, currently? Yes, because economics always trumps "save the children." Will some state legislatures do stupid stuff? Undoubtedly; there are stupid people everywhere. But in the interim, more people will begin to vape, more companies will get into the market, and more research will be done. With this, it will become increasingly difficult to "outlaw" vaping, or to cede control to tobacco companies. IMO, of course.

My take away is that though it may feel like a Sisyphean task, our voices are heard if we holler long and loudly enough and with sufficient evidence. (This, btw, straight from the mouths of the congressmen who voiced their support.) So, keep yelling!

 

[Kenna]

IDK I might have to get 1 more liter if I keep liking the higher nic I am using. I have 1 in the freezer plenty of flavoring to last a long long time lots of devices and parts. I saw an ad from MFS that said might be your last chance to get a liter for $40 better check that out.

Lol! I have5 liters...

 

[LittleBird]

Lol! I have5 liters...

You and me both, Kenna. By my calculations, I have enough Nic to last about 30 years -- longer than I will! I may be cautiously optimistic, but I'm not stupid!

 

[DancingHeretik]

One more question. As simply as possible, what's the difference between a regulated and mechanical mod. Which do I want?

Regulated can mean many things. But, at the least it's regulated enough to have some built in protections.

I get the impression you think that regulated is more complicated and difficult. It's the opposite. Especially with variable wattage. Start low, increase wattage until you like it. Then you can change toppers/resistances all you want, and the mod will adjust voltage to match. So that you'll always be vaping at your preferred wattage. With no thought or effort.

What could be easier?

Lol! I have5 liters...

You and me both, Kenna. By my calculations, I have enough Nic to last about 30 years -- longer than I will! I may be cautiously optimistic, but I'm not stupid!

5 liters? Me too. Although that's not enough to last me 30 years. I don't think anyway. For sure, 20 to 25 years though.

I recently bought a case of empty bottles. I have some extras. Maybe I should buy just one more liter. Just one more.

 

[Vape?]

I do think of it as more complicated. Right now, I've got fill, charge, press the only button and vape. But, on the bright side, am making the arrangements to get to the vendor, who will help me decide and teach me extra button usage, ha. It took forever to find them. How common have vape shops become back home? They still have old timey tobacconist shops here, but so far, they aren't stocking gear. Thought I might have to travel interstate for a while. Or you from au , dancing?

 

[DancingHeretik]

Nope. Texas. San Antonio, TX.

They're becoming more common every day. I just saw another one today when I got lost driving around town.

 

[Kenna]

Regulated can mean many things. But, at the least it's regulated enough to have some built in protections.

I get the impression you think that regulated is more complicated and difficult. It's the opposite. Especially with variable wattage. Start low, increase wattage until you like it. Then you can change toppers/resistances all you want, and the mod will adjust voltage to match. So that you'll always be vaping at your preferred wattage. With no thought or effort.

What could be easier?


5 liters? Me too. Although that's not enough to last me 30 years. I don't think anyway. For sure, 20 to 25 years though.

I recently bought a case of empty bottles. I have some extras. Maybe I should buy just one more liter. Just one more.

I'm thinking one more also. I have vapers in the family that might need help on occasion.

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[Kenna]

I do think of it as more complicated. Right now, I've got fill, charge, press the only button and vape. But, on the bright side, am making the arrangements to get to the vendor, who will help me decide and teach me extra button usage, ha. It took forever to find them. How common have vape shops become back home? They still have old timey tobacconist shops here, but so far, they aren't stocking gear. Thought I might have to travel interstate for a while. Or you from au , dancing?

Regulated is basicly the same fill your tank stick it on the mod & vape. You set you watts to what tastes good with you juice & forget about it. As long as you are using a coil in the same range everyday then there's no reason to charge it. It's as simple as setting your oven to bake something. Youcll find the right spot for you within a minute or 2 j there ya go. You'll evertually find that diffrent flavors taste different at differrnt temps which is amazing for milking the best flavor from your different juices.

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