Older Folks and Vaping Front Porch - Part Four

[Semiretired]

The senator has followed up on his ignored letter to the FDA
Senator Ron Johnson sends letter to FDA Cmsnr Califf asking important questions about deeming ban

Thank you for posting this - hopefully he does not back off until he gets his answer and it is a satisfactory one...

 

[Von Vape]

Speaking of spending money, I'm about to myself BUT, I'm still confused by all of the different levels of wattage that different mods have. As you all know, I/we are fairly new at this and we use (& got started with) Kanger Subvods. .5 ohm coils, 3.7 V. constant and that, thanks to a fellow porcher providing the info and the relevant chart, works out to about 22 watts. That's great and we really enjoy the flavor and amount of vapor we get out of the Subvods with 60/40 juice.

That being said, with the Radii (Same Subvod Top Tank Nano & Coil) 22 W is too much. 19 W or 20 W seems just about right but still not quite as good as the "Stupid Stick". Whatever, I don't get it and probably never will, that's all water under the bridge.

My real question is, If the basic Subvod parameters are your "sweet spot" why would one need a 60 W, 75 W or 200 W mod???

I don't foresee us ever going plus ohm because we started with sub ohm and that's where the flavor (the most important aspect of vaping to us, besides getting our nic. ) better vapor production and quicker heat time is, right? I 'think" I understand that you need more watts to "push" a plus ohm coil but it would seem to me that you'd go through batteries faster and as I said, plus ohming isn't in the foreseeable future anyway.
I've also seen the YouTube videos of the "hardcore" vapers where they have a .2 coil and a mod set at 50W and huff out a big ol' cloud and get all excited and comment what a great hit that was. How could that possibly be enjoyable?

I know I/we still have A LOT to learn and I can already hear "Your tastes are going to change." but I seriously doubt it. We're both on the down hill side of 55, headed for 60. We both smoked the same brand of cigs for over 40 years (So same "flavor" and temperature range.) The narrow variety of flavors we're happy with now will probably be the same forever. The only reason we vape is to remain reformed smokers (we're not "Cloud Chasers" or vape gear geeks (no offense). It could easily be said that we're set in our ways and just looking for some advice on the easiest way to remain reformed smokers through vaping. We would have been perfectly happy to continue on with our Subvods and pre made coils or a Subvod Mega with RBA's if it weren't for the DD. Unfortunately, "simple" isn't an option any more and as relative "newbies" all of the options and variables can be a little overwhelming and daunting, not to mention EXPENSIVE if you're forced into trial by error in a compressed time limit, as we are.

As usual (for me ) this is long and drawn out. The bottom line is; Is there any advantage to a 60, 75 or 200W mod for people like the ones described above or will a relatively inexpensive 40W mod do and, as heavy vapers, I suspect at least a dual battery unit is something to consider. All I know for sure is that we have to get mods that will last and that have replaceable batteries. Eventually, the "plug & plays" won't recharge and won't be able to be replaced.

Thanks in advance, Porchers!
Von Vape

 

[clnire]

@Von Vape , I have several mods that will do 75 watts, 100 watts, but I got them for the price, not the watts. I don't see myself ever needing over 15 (well, maybe 20 but that is questionable). I am much like you, I am a simple vaper. I vape to stay off cigarettes. I have been vaping for 3 1/2 years and although my equipment has changed (upgraded), I still use the upgraded stuff like I did the older stuff. The newer technology has come with more safety features, more control, and smoother action, oh and size. I am not into "latest technology", I shop for deals. If it offers higher watts, so be it, but $20-$25 bucks? Mine!!!I stick with older technology because it is cheap and works for me. I do have 3 subtank minis (well, I guess 2 are toptanks because they top fill), but I build them as I want them, not necessarily sub ohm. I do find I need more watts for sub ohm coils, which I have tried, but never over 15 watts so far. Even my subtank with a .4 ohm SS 316L coil - I run it at about 12 watts and I am good.

So don't let the watts confuse you. You don't have to use it all. Just use settings that work for you and your style of vaping.

 

[garyoa1]

Von... nope. For me, 7 to 10w is plenty with a 1.5 or 2.1 coil. Do NOT like warm vapes. Not even slightly interested in subbing. Got all the flavor I want or need.

 

[DavidOck]

My real question is, If the basic Subvod parameters are your "sweet spot" why would one need a 60 W, 75 W or 200 W mod???

I don't foresee us ever going plus ohm because we started with sub ohm and that's where the flavor (the most important aspect of vaping to us, besides getting our nic. ) better vapor production and quicker heat time is, right? I 'think" I understand that you need more watts to "push" a plus ohm coil but it would seem to me that you'd go through batteries faster and as I said, plus ohming isn't in the foreseeable future anyway.

Nope. Counter-intuitive, but higher ohms works better at lower power, and then, of course, longer between charges.

I build all my coils around 1.5 Ω, vape around 9 watts. Great flavor, sufficient vapor to keep fooling the brain. (Well, that gets easier every year )

Subohm is generally done with heavy wire, takes a lot of power to heat it up enough to vaporize. I like 30 for it's "fast action", and don't even have any wire bigger than 28. Of course, if you hit your triple double 18 gauge clapton notch with enough power, it will get hot fast. (And will also stay hot long!)

LIke Clinire, my latest acquisitions have the capability of hitting 75 watts and up - but go low enough for me to enjoy and were at fire sale prices. And not pushing them to their max, should (theoretically, anyway) last longer.

We're both on the down hill side of 55, headed for 60.

Kids....

 

[pokemom]

Speaking of spending money, I'm about to myself BUT, I'm still confused by all of the different levels of wattage that different mods have. As you all know, I/we are fairly new at this and we use (& got started with) Kanger Subvods. .5 ohm coils, 3.7 V. constant and that, thanks to a fellow porcher providing the info and the relevant chart, works out to about 22 watts. That's great and we really enjoy the flavor and amount of vapor we get out of the Subvods with 60/40 juice.

That being said, with the Radii (Same Subvod Top Tank Nano & Coil) 22 W is too much. 19 W or 20 W seems just about right but still not quite as good as the "Stupid Stick". Whatever, I don't get it and probably never will, that's all water under the bridge.

My real question is, If the basic Subvod parameters are your "sweet spot" why would one need a 60 W, 75 W or 200 W mod???

I don't foresee us ever going plus ohm because we started with sub ohm and that's where the flavor (the most important aspect of vaping to us, besides getting our nic. ) better vapor production and quicker heat time is, right? I 'think" I understand that you need more watts to "push" a plus ohm coil but it would seem to me that you'd go through batteries faster and as I said, plus ohming isn't in the foreseeable future anyway.
I've also seen the YouTube videos of the "hardcore" vapers where they have a .2 coil and a mod set at 50W and huff out a big ol' cloud and get all excited and comment what a great hit that was. How could that possibly be enjoyable?

I know I/we still have A LOT to learn and I can already hear "Your tastes are going to change." but I seriously doubt it. We're both on the down hill side of 55, headed for 60. We both smoked the same brand of cigs for over 40 years (So same "flavor" and temperature range.) The narrow variety of flavors we're happy with now will probably be the same forever. The only reason we vape is to remain reformed smokers (we're not "Cloud Chasers" or vape gear geeks (no offense). It could easily be said that we're set in our ways and just looking for some advice on the easiest way to remain reformed smokers through vaping. We would have been perfectly happy to continue on with our Subvods and pre made coils or a Subvod Mega with RBA's if it weren't for the DD. Unfortunately, "simple" isn't an option any more and as relative "newbies" all of the options and variables can be a little overwhelming and daunting, not to mention EXPENSIVE if you're forced into trial by error in a compressed time limit, as we are.

As usual (for me ) this is long and drawn out. The bottom line is; Is there any advantage to a 60, 75 or 200W mod for people like the ones described above or will a relatively inexpensive 40W mod do and, as heavy vapers, I suspect at least a dual battery unit is something to consider. All I know for sure is that we have to get mods that will last and that have replaceable batteries. Eventually, the "plug & plays" won't recharge and won't be able to be replaced.

Thanks in advance, Porchers!
Von Vape

It seems that you answered your own question. If 3.7 volts, and 20-25 watts is your sweet spot, you don't need to go any further.

If you go to other tanks, that have different air flow (the subvods wide open are pretty much a restricted lung hit), or go to other coils or types of coils (like Clapton coils) you may need more power. Claptons although still .5 ohms take longer to ramp up, so many people push more power through them so they can get a hit right away.

A mod with power up to about 50 watts should suit you fine. Some that go up to 75w are less expensive, so many of us are buying those instead.

Do what you like, buy with a little room to change if interested. We are all vapers whether it be at 8watts or 100+ watts.

 

[Debadoo]

von......I always vaped at around 13 watts, both when I used regulated mods and now using my reos (mechanical) But I recently used some stainless steel wire to build my coils. Accidentally built them at 1/2 the ohms I intended to build..... so it's .6 ohms which equates to about 30 watts on a full battery with my mech.......and omggggg I'm tasting flavors I never tasted before in my juices. Since y'all are already subohming......and vaping about 22 ish watts, I think a 40 watt would be fine.......but ya might want a lil more leeway, just in case anything changes and go with 60 or 75. I won a mod that goes to 150w and can be upgraded to 200 w but I'll never use that much. But it can be set to 30 w. lol I really think those super high 100+ watt mods are for folks who really want huge clouds and super low ohms. But if you try SS wire and rebuilding, you may decide you wanna try temp control since SS can do either. Legs or someone can tell ya if higher watts would be beneficial for that. I was stuck in my ways too til I had a happy accident!!

 

[Von Vape]

Thanks @clnier & @garyoa1. I tend to overthink things (most) sometimes (he, he).
I'm not the brightest bulb in the pack when it comes to 'leg-trictee but I can figure that more watts & volts over lower resistance is going to equal more heat quicker and hot, unsatisfying hits. There are several 40W to 50W mods on the market, made by reliable manufacturers for cheap and that's exactly what I was wondering. I mean $20 for a Kbox! How could you go wrong??? Sure the wattage is set at fixed increments (8,13, 20, 25, 30, 35 & 40) but that's gotta be a pretty good "general spread", right? The down side is that it's a single battery. But hey, a pocket full of SLEAVED batteries will fix that too!

We have already settled on top tank minis w/RBA's as our "go to" tanks so that's not as big an issue. I'm glad you guys "get where I'm coming from" and any suggestions in regard to mods would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks Again!

*EDIT* Didn't intend to leave anyone out. A few more chimed in while I was typing (Hunting and pecking! Ha, Ha!) ALL you porchers are just the best!!!

 

[DavidOck]

The spread on the kbox doesn't hit the values I want, especially since I might vary the power by half or one or two watts depending on the flavor.

Here's a full featured "big brother" for $10 more:

KBOX Mini Platinum 60 watt Box Mod by Kangertech

 

[2legsshrt]

As usual (for me ) this is long and drawn out. The bottom line is; Is there any advantage to a 60, 75 or 200W mod for people like the ones described above or will a relatively inexpensive 40W mod do and, as heavy vapers, I suspect at least a dual battery unit is something to consider. All I know for sure is that we have to get mods that will last and that have replaceable batteries. Eventually, the "plug & plays" won't recharge and won't be able to be replaced.

Von the only reason a lot of company's came out with the 200w was because EVOLVE set the bar there, I have never really heard of anyone using 200w but to do it with a 2 battery mode you have to have between a .1 and .2 ohm coil some like the IPV 5 will only hit 200 with a .27 ohm coil. I'm thinking of getting 2 that go to 200w but that is what they are. All of mine are 75w now and I never use wattage anyway I enjoy the flavor of temp control. As far as cloud chasers I don't have a problem with them if they are not smoking and thats what keeps them off fine just don't do it irresponsibly don't blow it in my face. The 200w thing is just a number very few will actually do it. The DNA200's will but they either have 3 18650's or a 3 cell LiPo the rest will only do it at a very low ohm rate. I am a flavor chaser too and it is why I started TC now it's all I do. I do have 1 Tugboat V2 dripper and that thing with dual Kanthal coils will really blow some clouds. I have used it probably 6 times with dual Kanthal coils at about 50w. I am still trying to understand how anyone can vape at even 150w and not burn the wick. I guess you could do it in a dripper if you had the cotton completely saturated with juice. Plus the fact that dual batteries in series like they are in a lot of the mods only gives you about the same as 1 1/2 batteries. I vape in Joules not Watts because I am a YiHi fanboy. And I use TC all of my mods are capable of Watts also but not in TC. I don't like subohming with Kanthal because I don't care for a hot vape. You should watch Rip Trippers video on Cloud Chasing the guys that do that have to have special equipment special 100% VG juice and for the most part 0 nic. It's an art to be able to blow clouds like some of them do. My coils are all subohm but that is because of the wire I use Ti and SS. Ti especially of the two is low resistance if I use a 6 wrap 3mm 24 guage it comes out about .17 when you go to dual coils it cuts the resistance in half. I don't use 24 I tried it though. If your a flavor chaser like me I wish you could try one of my setups with a .28 ohm Ti coil on an accurate device like an SX or a DNA at about 25 Joules 420F. Some people don't like the hassle of it though. I even don't some times but it's worth it to me.
So you see I can write a book too. LOL
Pat

 

[Von Vape]

Contact | Homeland Security & Governmental Affairs Committee

Sorry to switch horses in the middle of the stream but this link was posted @ the Officials report biggest fall in adult smoking in decades thread. It is in regard to Sen. Johnson's request to the FDA turning over their "research & papers" to the committee because the committee has "concerns" as to how they reached their conclusions for the deeming regs. (The FDA ignored his requests the first time around. Big surprise, right.) The link allows you to contact the committee and tell how vaping has changed your life and how it has the possibility to change and save hundreds of thousands more. I personally think it's worth while and may help the committee gain some understanding of our plight, as well as possibly drawing more attention from other Senators & Representatives. They're bound to hear the grumblings and wonder what the ruckus is about.
MAKE SOME NOISE!!!

Von Vape

 

[2legsshrt]

Oh and I forgot to tell you they are coming out with 300w mods now. and when I said 2 batteries are about the same as 1 1/2 in series I was talking about the life of the batteries they will put out about 7.5 volts.

 

[2legsshrt]

Sorry to switch horses in the middle of the stream but this link was posted @ the Officials report biggest fall in adult smoking in decades thread. It is in regard to Sen. Johnson's request to the FDA turning over their "research & papers" to the committee because the committee has "concerns" as to how they reached their conclusions for the deeming regs. (The FDA ignored his requests the first time around. Big surprise, right.) The link allows you to contact the committee and tell how vaping has changed your life and how it has the possibility to change and save hundreds of thousands more. I personally think it's worth while and may help the committee gain some understanding of our plight, as well as possibly drawing more attention from other Senators & Representatives. They're bound to hear the grumblings and wonder what the ruckus is about.
MAKE SOME NOISE!!!

Von Vape

They don't want understanding they want money. When they had some kind of a Call to Action the lines were plugged with people against what they are trying to do. They just don't care when there is money involved. I have written my story and sent it to Senators and Congressman and I just get a standard form letter back of how they are trying to save the children. If there is an increase in underage vaping so what they aren't smoking. I don't know about you but I started smoking at 15 and I could even buy them at certain stores so if they get rid of vaping these kids will just start smoking.

 

[Von Vape]

The spread on the kbox doesn't hit the values I want, especially since I might vary the power by half or one or two watts depending on the flavor.

Here's a full featured "big brother" for $10 more:

KBOX Mini Platinum 60 watt Box Mod by Kangertech

AWESOPME!!! That's what I'm talkin' about! (unfortunately no longer available there BUT) found one on eBay WITH Lg batt for $42 & free shipping. I sincerely appreciate the tip!

2 legs, I still need to go back and read the rest of yours. Thanks in advance though. I know you know your schtuff.

 

[Kenna]

I use cotton in it all the time. Those site have not changed their "silica" statement since that was the default wicking several years ago.

Subtank Mini or Toptank mini are about the easiest to rebuild. Also spare parts are easy to get your paws on. They can be used with premade coils or the rebuildable deck.

I'm your echo! [emoji12] [emoji1] [emoji1] [emoji1]

 

[Semiretired]

Do what you like, buy with a little room to change if interested. We are all vapers whether it be at 8watts or 100+ watts.

I like the way you think...

 

[Danousa]

How is the IPVD 3? Just looking at that vs. Pico...

 

[2legsshrt]

AWESOPME!!! That's what I'm talkin' about! (unfortunately no longer available there BUT) found one on eBay WITH Lg batt for $42 & free shipping. I sincerely appreciate the tip!

2 legs, I still need to go back and read the rest of yours. Thanks in advance though. I know you know your schtuff.

Some stuff but not near as much as some people on this thread and not even close to some on other threads but I try to learn from them. But the main thing is 2 battery mods just don't do 200w they just say that. I saw a reviewer today say why don't these companies come out and say this is a 150w mod. They will some any way do 200w if the batteries are at the max and the resistance is perfect. But after that first time they start dropping.

 

[2legsshrt]

Mee

I'm your echo!

Mee Too

 

[2legsshrt]

That Kanger Sub works great no matter what style of vaping you do except maybe cloud blowing. They are so stable with TC it is amazing almost no static resistance.