Older Folks and Vaping Front Porch - Part Three

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2legsshrt

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Anyone here familiar with the DNA40. Last night it was vaping really good. Today when I unlocked it I forgot to look to see if it asked if it was a new coil or not but the resistance is showing different then last night. So I am letting it cool to room temp and I will unlock it and if it asks I am going to say new coil. I don't know what it does if it asks and you do nothing just start vaping.
 

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Yeah I did David I closed it down quite a bit but found I liked it better opened up. I also tried a wide bore drip tip and found I liked the original better.

It does provide for a really wide range of air flow, doesn't it :)

I usually toss (well, spare parts bin) any stainless tips, and don't care for the wide bore ones either. And try to avoid getting toppers that I can't change tips on, since they're mostly stainless... even have the adapters in my 2 KF 3.1s rather than use their proprietary threaded ones.
 

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Any one else get an e-mail that the forum has canceled their subscription renewal?
No, but there was a different problem with my renewal. 2 days before my renewal date I selected and paid for a 2-year renewal. Then, on my renewal date, the fee for another 1-year renewal was taken from my Paypal account. Being the prompt person that I am, I waited 3 or 4 months to see if the error would be corrected. I then PM'd Smokey Joe and told him what happened. Within a few days my Paypal account was re-credited with the 1-year amount.
 

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This is regarding the letter to the editor in the New England Journal of Medicine regarding formaldehyde in PG, and the article provided by Matt regarding that letter to the editor.

1. The letter to the editor contains obvious errors which I presume are typos or utter failures in mathematical notation. However, these typos make it completely impossible to make any sense of the math. For example, the article says that each puff consumed 5 to 11 ml of e-liquid. The article also says that the formaldehyde figures obtained are based on a daily use of 1050 ml of e-liquid. Somebody missed some decimal points.

I'm not willing to totally dismiss the letter to the editor, but it is a joke with the errors it currently contains. Here is a link to that entire letter as published: MMS: Error (Even though the link as translated by ECF says "error", the link works.)

2. The "defense" seems to be obsessed with a claim that people do not vape at 12 watts. That's a rather absurd defense, considering that many vapers vape at 12 watts and higher. I'm further going to guess that just because a delivery device with a given resistance is vaped at a given wattage, it does NOT mean that it releases the same amounts of ANYTHING as a DIFFERENT delivery device with the same resistance at the same wattage. I can vape a 1.8 ohm BVC coil in a Nautilus at 12 watts, but I cannot vape a 1.8 ohm Ce4 top coil at 12 watts without severe burning.

3. The letter to the editor claims 5 to 15 times higher cancer risk from vaping than from smoking. This is NOT scientific reasoning. It is based on one and only one of the many carcinogens found in cigarettes. There is some stuff in the letter to the editor about "slope" for the cancer-causing effect of formaldehyde, so it is possible that the authors know something I don't, but since I don't think it's possible to determine WHICH carcinogen caused a given cancer, I believe I'm on the right track until shown otherwise.

Suppose the worst for moment, that there actually is a 5 to 15 times higher risk of developing FORMALDEHYDE-CAUSED cancer from e-liquid vapor than from cigarettes. What about the risk from all of the other carcinogens that are found in cigarettes but are NOT found in e-cigarette vapor? Yet, the letter to the editor claims that vaping itself carries a 5 to 15 times higher cancer risk than smoking. That's simply illogical and shows poor analytic capabilities on the part of those who wrote the letter. If the authors had scientific abilities, they would have properly said that they felt that vaping carried a higher risk for formaldehyde-caused cancer only. What percentage of cancers is caused by formaldehyde rather than by another carcinogen? I could be wrong but I don't think anyone knows.

4. By failing to specify the PV, the delivery device and the resistance of the coil, the researchers who submitted the letter to the editor have failed to conduct a meaningful experiment.
 
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Any one else get an e-mail that the forum has canceled their subscription renewal?

Nope.

If that came from ECF the only reason would be your payment for the annual member subscription did not... get paid.

ECF cannot cancel anything about the payment since that would require access to your PayPal account - which ECF does not have access to.

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I think I will abandon the dollar-a-day project. Judging from this thread, http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/apv-discussion/644155-why-do-people-knowingly-buy-clones.html , this one http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...8-i-dont-think-im-going-saving-any-money.html , and this one http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/general-vaping-discussion/645835-i-give-up-enough.html , enough people have gotten the idea, and low-budget people are not hiding in a corner any more. And people just getting into vaping are beginning to understand that the spending does eventually taper off, especially when there is so much advice available.

Just been contemplating my budget, and will be buying that mech with kick. From then on, it will just be replacement expense.
 

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I have finally gotten a wee bit of intelligence through my thick skull today.... I've FINALLY figured out how to build and wick my KF lite (yes, CLONE - my first ever RBA) without those shag-nasty dry hits. I'd built a dual-coil setup for my first ever RDA and have been having amazing success so I figured I'd give the KF one more chance.

28g (had been building with 30g), 1/8" (had been using 1/16") and organic cotton (had tried rayon and regular cotton balls). About 6-ish wraps landed me at about 1.35 ohms.

I believe the larger-diameter coil (with the thicker wire) is my "ah-ha" moment.... I rebuild my kanger heads with the 30g, and I thought that was all I should have been using :facepalm:
 

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I have finally gotten a wee bit of intelligence through my thick skull today.... I've FINALLY figured out how to build and wick my KF lite (yes, CLONE - my first ever RBA) without those shag-nasty dry hits. I'd built a dual-coil setup for my first ever RDA and have been having amazing success so I figured I'd give the KF one more chance.

28g (had been building with 30g), 1/8" (had been using 1/16") and organic cotton (had tried rayon and regular cotton balls). About 6-ish wraps landed me at about 1.35 ohms.

I believe the larger-diameter coil (with the thicker wire) is my "ah-ha" moment.... I rebuild my kanger heads with the 30g, and I thought that was all I should have been using :facepalm:


I've been building KFL's for well over a year and what works for me is 28awg Kanthal either Rayon or kgd 8wraps on a 2.4mm micro screwdriver tuck the tails of the wick up when you put the first part of the chimney on. Trim them about 1/4" above that poke them down not pack them down after having fluffed them out. Wet them real well before buttoning up. Fill it up and take a couple of priming pulls with your finger over the air hole and vape away. Haven't had a dry hit that way forever. The trick is the right amount of wick and a microcoil. I can do it in about 20min. Now this nickel is a little more challenging. I skipped a couple of steps, heat the coil after mounting and squeeze with tweezers.and after you wet it try it a couple of times to see that it is producing vapor. Then I start it at about 3.3v and work up as needed.
 
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I have finally gotten a wee bit of intelligence through my thick skull today....

DCPA,

If my feeble mind has held any of da many ECF memories, I do think ya might be a new friend we've never met. If so, welcome to our lil' corner of da world. If not, welcome to our lil corner of da world, again!
 

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28g (had been building with 30g), 1/8" (had been using 1/16") and organic cotton (had tried rayon and regular cotton balls). About 6-ish wraps landed me at about 1.35 ohms.
1/8 is HUGE. That is 3.17 mm. I use coils at 2 mm and am going to be switching to 2.25. I use twisted 32g which is about 29g, with 8 wraps for around 1.6 Ω. When I make the switch to 2.25, I will try 7 wraps. Rebuildables are a whole new ballgame-- I recoiled clearo heads for a long time, but just couldn't do it the same way at all.


http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/inches-mm-conversion-d_751.html
 
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I might try a larger knitting needle-- I tried a size 00, which no-one uses any more, the wicks kept burning on me. What I had was a size 0, which is hard to find. What I just got was a size one. Yep, I have a size two. That is 2.75 mm.

Been working on a quilt-top and watching TV. Just for something different. I decided to start taking Sundays off for the writing project.
 
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