Older Folks and Vaping Front Porch - Part Three

[2legsshrt]

Well my Pirates Booty came out pretty darned good. I think I will try mixing it from scratch. I used my Strawberry Vanilla cupcake as a base but the strawberry was a little muted so I added 5% more Ripe Strawberry. I can't believe that TFA recommends using Ripe Banana at 12 to 15%. I used 1% and the banana is fairly strong. I think I will use 15%ripe Strawberry 1% Ripe Banana and 1.5% Cotton Candy or pre mixed Ethyl Maltol. Just finished making 100ml of the RY4. This DIY is getting easier and Easier especially having the equipment. 35ml Syringe, 20 ml Syringe, 10 and 5 and a 25ml beaker for the very bottom of a bottle. I don't even use my cylinders anymore because I buy my VG/PG already at 50/50 and my nic at 100mg at 50/50. Makes things so easy. The hardest part is getting the right combo. I am going to try to stick to TFA as much as possible. Some I can't like 7leaves, and Maxx Blend but I only have to use 1% and 2% so 30ml goes a long way. The most expensive is HS Mango which I haven't found any as good and my recipe calls for 16%. I have a wholesale acct at TFA I could either buy 1oz for $5 or 4ozs for $6.50. Wholesale is great.Thanks Slots for turning me on to HS Mango

 

[MattB101]

I have a dumb phone with a dumber operator but I should break down and look to some type of online storage for photos, particularly since we live in a high fire area. Sending discs of the photos to my folks for safe keeping. I'll check into it. I'm just sort of loath to have my information in yet another place on the internet, not that hacking into a photo of El Whacko playing the lake is going to do much damage.

Pretty much my feelings on the subject as well. Abby dog ain't going to sign any checks or allow withdrawal from my bank accounts. Mostly my online storage is photos, music and books. None of which is going to affect my bottom line.

 

[FlamingoTutu]

Here is what may be in store for Washington residents, and the rest of us if we're not careful.

This proposal would impose the following new tax and regulations on ecigarettes
and vapor products:

• New excise tax on vapor products at 95 percent of the taxable sales price (generally the taxpayer’s purchase price), collected by the Department of
Revenue from distributors.

• Vapor products would be defined to include all e-cigarettes, e-liquid and stand-alone vaporizing paraphernalia, even if the product does not contain
nicotine.

• Distributors and retailers of vapor products would have to be licensed with the Liquor Control Board (LCB) and comply with recordkeeping and
audit requirements similar to those applicable to the other tobacco products (OTP) tax.

• Internet sales of vapor products directly to consumers in Washington would be banned.

Do they tax BP products at 95%? Do these politicians even take into account that some people live way out in the boonies and getting to a vape store isn't even possible for them? I fully expect California to be at the head of the line with stupid ideas just like this in a month or two. Grrrrr

Oh, full text here http://ofm.wa.gov/budget15/highligh...2_Excise_tax_on_e-cigs_and_vapor_products.pdf and saw it posted by Bill Godshall here http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...apor-products-increasing-cig-tax-50-pack.html

 

[Semiretired]

Well, I need to review my inventory and stock up again then... Hopefully by the time that I need supplies again they will of come to their senses... A lot of people switch to ecigs to save money - this could deter some of that transiton...

 

[PapaSloth]

Here is what may be in store for Washington residents, and the rest of us if we're not careful.

Obviously, this whole thing is bad for anyone who is starting out and is looking at vaping as an alternative to smoking. However, there's likely to be an impact on "established" vapers as well. Here's the part that concerns me:

Internet sales of vapor products directly to consumers in Washington would be banned.

What will constitute a "vapor product," exactly? Will this include nic solution (likely), flavors (???), and batteries? How about kanthal and rayon?

 

[Semiretired]

Obviously, this whole thing is bad for anyone who is starting out and is looking at vaping as an alternative to smoking. However, there's likely to be an impact on "established" vapers as well. Here's the part that concerns me:



What will constitute a "vapor product," exactly? Will this include nic solution (likely), flavors (???), and batteries? How about kanthal and rayon?

I would say anything that came from a vapor shop. They cannot tax all batteries, kanthal, rayon, flavors at that level - the hobby community would not let it happen.

 

[FlamingoTutu]

Obviously, this whole thing is bad for anyone who is starting out and is looking at vaping as an alternative to smoking. However, there's likely to be an impact on "established" vapers as well. Here's the part that concerns me:



What will constitute a "vapor product," exactly? Will this include nic solution (likely), flavors (???), and batteries? How about kanthal and rayon?

This part, which is pretty wide open to interpretation. "Vapor products would be defined to include all e-cigarettes, e-liquid and stand-alone vaporizing paraphernalia, even if the product does not contain nicotine." You have to love that it will be taxed even if it is not a tobacco product, like 0mg juice. The good part is it's so wide open to interpretation that it will bet pretty well picked apart and them made to look silly. 95% tax on an o-ring?

 

[2legsshrt]

So, I rewicked my k4 yesterday afternoon and it was vaping great. Last night we went to go out for dinner so I topped it off. Closed the juice flow, took the top off filled it up, put the top back on and left for dinner. I vaped on the way and on the way home. I'm sitting on the couch after we get back and got a kind of dry hit???? What the heck is up with this thing now???? As it turns out, when I filled it before dinner, I forgot to turn the juice control back on. There was enough juice in the wick to vape to and from dinner and never notice and that was at about 15watts.

OOPS just have to remember when you screw the top on just keep screwing and open the flow. I love this thing. Did you catch it in time or have to rewick again?

 

[garyoa1]

Well, I need to review my inventory and stock up again then... Hopefully by the time that I need supplies again they will of come to their senses... A lot of people switch to ecigs to save money - this could deter some of that transiton...

See, problem is everyone says it's safer than smoking. No one wants to analyze eliquid. Probably because everything in it is already FDA approved.

But IF they tax it out of existence and it finally proves to be safer and more effective to quitting cigs... they become murderers. Pushing everyone back into cigarettes. Killing for no other reason than lining their pockets.

 

[MikeE3]

Obviously, this whole thing is bad for anyone who is starting out and is looking at vaping as an alternative to smoking. However, there's likely to be an impact on "established" vapers as well. Here's the part that concerns me:



What will constitute a "vapor product," exactly? Will this include nic solution (likely), flavors (???), and batteries? How about kanthal and rayon?

"...and stand-alone vaporizing paraphernalia, even if the product does not contain nicotine."

Yikes! If I buy a box of tissues to clean up my spilled nic, will I be taxed 95%?

 

[PapaSloth]

I think what they should do is follow around all vapers 24 hours a day, and just charge us 95% tax on anything we buy anywhere, just to make sure we're not actually buying "vaping paraphernalia." I mean, that roll of toilette paper you buy could be used for vaping purposes. I'm sure this all makes sense to someone. Maybe they can give us all ankle bracelets with GPS locators too, so that we're easier to track. You never know when a rogue vaper is going to go to Home Depot and buy some illegal screws while not paying the state-mandated tax surcharge. Only through increased surveillance can we be totally free.

 

[garyoa1]

"...and stand-alone vaporizing paraphernalia, even if the product does not contain nicotine."

Yikes! If I buy a box of tissues to clean up my spilled nic, will I be taxed 95%?

First of all, if you do spill nic anywhere you should realize that you must immediately report it to the EPA. (Environ-mental Protection Agency - Mental being the operative word here) Dialing 911 is perfectly acceptable here. They will cheerfully come out to your home (in proper attire, sirens blaring, coffee cups in hand) and help you get rid of any drops you have carelessly spilled for a nominal fee (Only a few thousand dollars per man, per drop, generally a 35 man* minimum, or the amount of people they can cram into your home and still continue to breath. Whichever is greater.). Also, you must keep track of exactly how many drops were spilled to report to the nic companies so that they can adjust their prices accordingly. Usually the eliquid pumps nationwide, as a rule of thumb, show approximately a one penny increase per drop lost by a homeowner. (Obviously it depends on the size of the drop as well, so you need to report whether it was big drops or little drops.) Of course, if you do manage to reclaim it, there is no price reduction. Sadly, they regret that they forgot to put a reverse on the price signs. They are vigorously investigating the oversight and give their word that within 400 years it will be corrected. Probably. (aka maybe, but don't hold your breath in nic company legalese)

*Note. It should be noted that the men may be replaced with women, however, due to sexual harrassment laws the genders may NOT be mixed in a situation such as this. Also, please note that if the correct amount of (if chosen) women (since there are less women in this field) cannot be made immediately available, your home will be quarantined until they can produce the amount required. Generally not more than a 5 year waiting period. This can be, of course, to your advantage because as people age, they get fatter. Therefore the cost per person to you is reduced if you go over the 35 woman (in this case) minimum.

 

[PapaSloth]

Actually, what they REALLY should do is just add a page to the state income tax form where you have to declare all vaping-related merchandise you purchased throughout the year (with full itemizations and receipts) and just charge you the full 95% when you file. That way, they can just fine you or throw you in jail if you buy some of those screws or toilette paper and don't declare them on your proper tax forms.

 

[FlamingoTutu]

First of all, if you do spill nic anywhere you should realize that you must immediately report it to the EPA. (Environ-mental Protection Agency - Mental being the operative word here) Dialing 911 is perfectly acceptable here. They will cheerfully come out to your home (in proper attire, sirens blaring, coffee cups in hand) and help you get rid of any drops you have carelessly spilled for a nominal fee (Only a few thousand dollars per man, per drop, generally a 35 man* minimum, or the amount of people they can cram into your home and still continue to breath. Whichever is greater.). Also, you must keep track of exactly how many drops were spilled to report to the nic companies so that they can adjust their prices accordingly. Usually the eliquid pumps nationwide, as a rule of thumb, show approximately a one penny increase per drop lost by a homeowner. (Obviously it depends on the size of the drop as well, so you need to report whether it was big drops or little drops.) Of course, if you do manage to reclaim it, there is no price reduction. Sadly, they regret that they forgot to put a reverse on the price signs. They are vigorously investigating the oversight and give their word that within 400 years it will be corrected. Probably. (aka maybe, but don't hold your breath in nic company legalese)

That would make Sloth's hands/claws a superfund site after his little booboo the other day.

Guess they need that 95% with all that surveillance going on. How do they plan on controlling the mail?

 

[PapaSloth]

That would make Sloth's hands/claws a superfund site after his little booboo the other day.

Guess they need that 95% with all that surveillance going on. How do they plan on controlling the mail?

I should get a tax refund on that broken bottle of nic solution!

 

[FlamingoTutu]

I should get a tax refund on that broken bottle of nic solution!

More likely that they will tax you, plus interest, for the vaping related bottle.

 

[PapaSloth]

It's a good thing I only plan to use my vaping paraphernalia for smoking perfectly safe, legal, [other stuff] instead of that evil nic-containing ejuice.

ETA: Changed reference from a well-known, perfectly legal green leafy herb to [other stuff].

 

[Semiretired]

That would mean Mike would have to claim his tools, his dining room table (his workbench that is), and of course they will probably want to tax any miles used to drive for buying vaping gear...

 

[3mg Meniere]

It's a good thing I only plan to use my vaping paraphernalia for smoking perfectly safe, legal, (OTHER STUFF) instead of that evil nic-containing ejuice.

The ultimate slam at their hypocrisy.

 

[FlamingoTutu]

Change that to "other stuff" before you get dinged, or gonged. They didn't mention a word about that did they? Perhaps that's where the "even if the product does not contain nicotine" part comes in?