One atomizer killed my eGo batteries?

[cliff5550]

O.K. I'm stumped (and stupid).
I was using my favorite and best atty on an eGo battery and suddenly everything got very hot and vapor was everywhere. Pulled them apart and figured the battery was stuck on. Tried the atty on another eGo batt and it happened again. Cleaned everything and, with incredible stupidity, tried the atty on a couple more eGo batteries.
Bottom line, I have a melted cart, very hot atty, and a row of very dead eGo batteries lying here on my desk. Never had anything like this happen in 13 months of vaping.

 

[woody1911a1]

well don't use that attie again and try putting the batts on the charger and see if they'll reset .

 

[fritos1]

Never thought an atty could kill batts other then if juice leaked in thats why I switched to an ego. I did have a batt die on me after chargeing it good thing my ego batts come with a 90 day warranty have a new one comeing in the mail tomorrow.

 

[quasimod]

Wow, cliff, that really blows. Do you think it was a short in the atty or something?

 

[cliff5550]

I have no idea quas, but that's what I'm thinking. Man, that was an incredibly great atty, right up to the last. But, it went out with guns blazing and killed a few batteries on its way out. I mean that baby was smoking!
So far one battery on the charger has gone green so I'm hopeful I may save maybe two out of the four batts. Now where's that charge card? It's been a while.

 

[RIMP]

Was it a LR atty? I thought I heard you couldn't use LR attys on egos? Is that true? I loooove LR attys
RIMP

 

[quasimod]

Yeah, what kind of atty?

Also, this might be an indelicate time to ask (sorry 'bout yer loss, rest in peace, yadda yadda), but this is a great opportunity to ask an old hand like you for your perspective. I imagine you've tried other mods that use cheaper, non-proprietary batteries, and yet you're clearly a big fan of the eGo. With this expensive battery purchase ahead of you, what is motivating you to continue with the eGo? I'm just curious what it is about the eGo that you value so highly.

 

[cliff5550]

It was a plain ole 510 atty that had been cooking great for probably 2-3 months. I still have 5 eGo batts but that's down from 8. Wife and I have been through RN4081s, M401s, and 510s. Went to the eGo about 5 or 6 months ago and stayed with them because they have a great battery life of 8-10 hours (unless your atty kills it), use regular 510 carts and attys, and just seem to be the best overall that we've ever tried.
I'll probably pick up a couple more batteries in a week or so just to keep the supply up.
Gee, I miss my batt-killing atty.

 

[rosesense]

Sorry to hear that Cliff, scary. Yours is the 2nd thread about this that I have read today but the other was a low r one. Time to move up a notch Have you considered a Lazer from Ikenvape? Works the same as an Ego but the batts cost about 4.00 each. Love mine.

 

[ab357]

Was it a LR atty? I thought I heard you couldn't use LR attys on egos? Is that true? I loooove LR attys
RIMP

I think most of us use LR attys on our eGos, Rivas, and Hello 016s (I have all three). You can use LR attys on any battery that's 400 mAh or higher. The eGo is (650), Riva (750), Hello (1300).

 

[Bahnzo]

Just wondering.....do you still have that atty? If so, do you have a multimeter that you can test the atty on and see what it's resistance is? Maybe that will give some insight as to why this happened.

 

[cyberwolf]

That is a bummer, cliff. I had the same thing happen with 4 901 batteries after a couple months of vaping. One atty shorted and I tried it on all 4 before the light went on. Mine never came back. Hope yours do.

I also prefer the ego batts over mods simply for the form factor, ease of use and battery life.

 

[Dudeman]

I've had that happen to 3 batteries with 3 different atty's in 4 months time. Only 1 of the three was a LR atty. I don't use eGo batteries anymore.

 

[jayhawk]

I had an atomizer do the same thing once !! I put it on three batteries before I realized the atomizer must be shorting out my batteries . This was back in the days I used a 901 and I've never had it happen since , I have always wondered exactly how an atomizer could do this ?

 

[cliff5550]

I appreciate the "I did that to my batteries, too" stories. Makes me feel a little less, dare I say, stupid.
Turns out there were 5 batteries in my situation. Two have come back to life. Nah, I still feel stupid that it took me 5 batteries before my own "light" came on and I realized what I was doing.
Blaming this one on age.

 

[Christie]

This happened to me last night. I was using a regular 510 atty that I'd been using for about a month. My Ego batteries (I lost 2 of them) were only about a month old also. I'm glad I found this thread because I was going to contact the supplier...but they were only under warranty for 14 days. I left them on the charger over night but no luck in getting them working again.

Has anyone had this problem on the Riva..maybe when I can afford it I'll try that instead of getting another Ego.

I never had any problems with my regular 510 batteries. They've been going strong for 7 months of constant use. Just switched to the Ego a month ago and I am not happy!

 

[THE]

I didn't read ALL of the posts, so I'm not sure if anyone has noticed how similar these threads are, yet... but here ya go:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...new-pretty-sure-lr-attys-do-kill-rivas-3.html

 

[Israfil]

This is interesting. Attys that work well for months and then kill the batteries they love... hmm. Definitely a short, perhaps what's happening is that the wires that lead up to the coil are heating up and the covering is melting off, then at some point the two become twisted together and voila, short. The thing that gets me is that these egos don't appear to be protected from such things. I've had a few shorts in my mods, but the batteries are usually fine as long as the short passes through the switch.

 

[Drozd]

I think most of us use LR attys on our eGos, Rivas, and Hello 016s (I have all three). You can use LR attys on any battery that's 400 mAh or higher. The eGo is (650), Riva (750), Hello (1300).

yeah alot of people use LR atties on eGo/Riva/Hello batteries...the whole 400mAh or better is misleading though...do you understand why they say that?
Truth is that any atty where the Amp draw that exceeds the max drain rate of the battery will kill it quicker...
and hate to break it to you but this is particularly true of LR atties..
the whole 400mAh that the vendors are quoting is all about battery life between charges and getting them to work at all...

if the max drain rate of the battery cant keep up with the amp draw of the atty at a given voltage you experience voltage sag (simplified explaination is the voltage drops to lower the amp draw to meet what the battery at max can supply) in lower mAh batteries that voltage sag is so considerable that the battery could function like it's at it's low voltage cutoff (thinks it's depleted)...
the truth is that the only batteries that can support a LR atty without damage to the battery in the long term are 18650s, and high drain 16340s or high drain 14500....eGos, rivas and the like are just on borrowed time...

This is interesting. Attys that work well for months and then kill the batteries they love... hmm. Definitely a short, perhaps what's happening is that the wires that lead up to the coil are heating up and the covering is melting off, then at some point the two become twisted together and voila, short. The thing that gets me is that these egos don't appear to be protected from such things. I've had a few shorts in my mods, but the batteries are usually fine as long as the short passes through the switch.

the eGos. Rivas, and the like don't have seperate protection per se...they use the mosfet as protection...so shorted atties kill the batteries.....scottbee has made numerous posts about that...

ANY atty or cartomizer can kill the eGo/Tornado/Riva battery. The basic battery design doesn't have a robust short-circuit protection.. and if the resistance of the atty or cartomizer drops much below 1.4Ω, the driver circuit (MOSFET) for the battery can/will fry.



I've had this happen with Boge cartomizers, regular 510 atomizers, and of course.. the LR atties.



But I do acknowledge that it appears to be more probable with the LR atties.

 

[THE]

yeah alot of people use LR atties on eGo/Riva/Hello batteries...the whole 400mAh or better is misleading though...do you understand why they say that?
Truth is that any atty where the Amp draw that exceeds the max drain rate of the battery will kill it quicker...
and hate to break it to you but this is particularly true of LR atties..
the whole 400mAh that the vendors are quoting is all about battery life between charges and getting them to work at all...

if the max drain rate of the battery cant keep up with the amp draw of the atty at a given voltage you experience voltage sag (simplified explaination is the voltage drops to lower the amp draw to meet what the battery at max can supply) in lower mAh batteries that voltage sag is so considerable that the battery could function like it's at it's low voltage cutoff (thinks it's depleted)...
the truth is that the only batteries that can support a LR atty without damage to the battery in the long term are 18650s, and high drain 16340s or high drain 14500....eGos, rivas and the like are just on borrowed time...



the eGos. Rivas, and the like don't have seperate protection per se...they use the mosfet as protection...so shorted atties kill the batteries.....scottbee has made numerous posts about that...

Those batteries you've mentioned have a huge mah rating, don't they? In the low low ten thousands, yeah?? If it's putting a big hurt on these 650-900mah batteries people are using, how worried do I need to be about my 1300mah hello 016 if I try to use LR atomizers or carts??? On one hand, I will be twice the rating of an ego, half again the riva, but still nowhere near those "real" batteries..

I gather that LR carts are much less of a danger than LR atomizers... is that right?

I also understand that these bigger batteries .. elegant,ego,hello,riva .. NONE of them can stand being shorted, is that right?? Will LR cartomizers short the battery, do you think? I wouldn't think so, and they only go down to 2 rather than 1.2-1.7 like LR atomizers, but ..