I just don't get the P3 at all. It looks like 90% of it's feature set was "borrowed" from the eVic or eVic Supreme, the Supreme has higher wattage, and the idea of charging for firmware updates - which (cough, cough) have been a feature of the eVic for a long time and can be done by the user and are free - is just galling.
One-button menus must die.
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I've actually never known powering off was a thing people did. I know the setting is there, but it serves no real purpose. Unless you are wearing some oddly skin tight jeans, the button is not going to depress in your pocket, and it doesn't use any more power when it's on but not firing than it does when it's off.
(I was basically agreeing with you on that.)
Well colored me surprised! I had no idea people had such a laissez-faire attitude vis-à-vis this issue! On occasion, I have left a device on while in my pocket, but I was never comfortable doing so. And it was only if I were going to be in a store for a brief in and out. Never at work, or driving. Have you never inadvertently dialed your cell phone (commonly referred to as ....-dialing, but can happen with your phone in a front pocket, purse, laying in a car, or any number of ways)? Has your car fob never gone off while in your pocket?
You don't have to be wearing skin tight jeans to have something in your pocket get scrunched up. Perhaps a girl wouldn't know this ( although most girls wear tighter jeans than guys - go figure), but guys have to move things around, make adjustments "in their pockets" so to speak, quite frequently. lol.
All I've heard for the 15+ months I've been vaping is "battery safety - battery safety", yet everyone's leaving their devices on in their pockets all day? Those buttons aren't all that hard to depress. The last thing I want is someone telling me "hey, there's smoke coming from your pants", or "your pants are on fire", or "what's that sizzling sound". Crazy!
best regards, larry mac
You don't have to be wearing skin tight jeans to have something in your pocket get scrunched up. Perhaps a girl wouldn't know this ( although most girls wear tighter jeans than guys - go figure), but guys have to move things around, make adjustments "in their pockets" so to speak, quite frequently. lol.
All I've heard for the 15+ months I've been vaping is "battery safety - battery safety", yet everyone's leaving their devices on in their pockets all day? Those buttons aren't all that hard to depress. The last thing I want is someone telling me "hey, there's smoke coming from your pants", or "your pants are on fire", or "what's that sizzling sound". Crazy!
best regards, larry mac
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I have had a ProVari pocket fire, but I hear it when it does, and if I don't, ProVari have a cutoff, so won't fire more than 16 seconds... I wouldn't trust other mods that close to important things, though, except the ProVape-1...
As I stated, I watched the PBusardo review. The video makes it very clear to me.
I am making a general statement on a common design that Provari happens to follow, along with many other manufacturers. That's not a bash, but, yes, its a provocative statement for sure, so paint me guilty for being a tad melodramatic. But it did get an interesting thread started on the subject and the opinions are interesting to see. I write for a living so I am prone to hyperbole now and again
Glad you noticed!I do agree with a prior statement made about the difference between a review and actually holding it in your hand and using it. But not having a B&M nearby, I can't really do that, so I'd be buying based on what I see in reviews and read here and other places.
I have both eVics and while I do like them, and can approximate the "Boost" tech of the Provari with programming, and I find the interface is stellar, BUT, I can't get past the firing delay - it drives me INSANE. They sit on my shelf most of the time. Between my VS rDNA 30 and my ZNA I use little else. I do have the Big Buddah on a 7-22 which I like but have not used of late. I go on extended favorites, keeps things interesting. If the eVic eliminated the firing delay, I would use it more often.
I am torn because I do like the deadly accuracy of the P3.
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Ridiculous!
Provari chose a one button menu because the less moving parts an item has the less apt it is to break. Dont believe me? Go buy an Evic or Vamo and you'll see for yourself soon enough.
The biggest complainers Ive seen about a one button menu are those who have never even used it before...and by using it I mean for a day or more. That alone has a tendency to invalidate their arguments and make it appear as if they dont know what theyre talking about....because they dont in this regard.
One substantial button rated at over a million clicks is worth more than three teeny tiny little buttons that youd be lucky to get 50k clicks out of before breaking.
End of story.
Provari chose a one button menu because the less moving parts an item has the less apt it is to break. Dont believe me? Go buy an Evic or Vamo and you'll see for yourself soon enough.
The biggest complainers Ive seen about a one button menu are those who have never even used it before...and by using it I mean for a day or more. That alone has a tendency to invalidate their arguments and make it appear as if they dont know what theyre talking about....because they dont in this regard.
One substantial button rated at over a million clicks is worth more than three teeny tiny little buttons that youd be lucky to get 50k clicks out of before breaking.
End of story.
Firecrow. You stated you opinion well without any bashing. Well done. But you know you're not aloud to have an opinion on Provari that doesn't meet the approval of the elitists.
The big tank makers are making tanks for the new threading. They're also making nickel wire heads for the DNA40. They saw a place to make money so they're responding. Big deal. And I see the Provari safe, everything else on the market one click from going boom reply. Makes you wonder why any vape gear is still sold with all the news reports about failing PVs and batteries.
Thanks.
That's an interesting statement about the safety of other regulated mods. I'm not seeing a lot of catastrophic failure out there with regulated mods. I have seen some fires related to poor charging practices (ie: unsupervised and in places like cars or when left on other fabrics - but thats not new with battery tech. I'm a firefighter and I can tell you I've seen my fair share of fires started due to a failure in charging technology in a wide range of consumer products, so that problem isn't likely to go away until a new battery chemistry comes along that uses less volatile chemicals such as the carbon battery (if its in fact real). I agree with that concern but we've lived with it since Lion battery tech came into existence - and some are very disturbing such as the battery fires in the Dreamliner. Its a tech reality we live with in many critical systems.
I was gonna say that while I wouldn't recommend a 1 button regulated mod for new vapers, for vapers who are settled in after 3 months to a year, it could be worth it for less things to go wrong;
but this nonsense about charging for firmware updates just says to me that provape really does have it plain wrong.
Happens with all companies; somebody makes something good; they die or go on to something else; the new guy mucks it up.
I'm reminded of when cocacola ups one day and decided to change their recipe, then they had to reverse and bring out coke classic.
I do in fact own eVics - but the eVics also have a control ring, so its not really a one button system. I am talking about a single button and no other methods for controlling the menu system. I don't think your reply considers this fact.
I acknowledged the Provari build quality as being top shelf, and that includes the longevity of the button so I think you're responding to a criticism I did not make. And I don't think Provari is avoiding moving parts, I think (and this is my opinion only) they are committed to a form of simplicity and a design legacy closely associated with their brand and their existing fan base. This is not good or bad, it simply is what it is. Many successful companies are reluctant to tinker with something that they feel is critical to their brand's success and this one of them. But my assertion is that was then and this is now (as I stated in the opening of the thread) and they may want to question that in future designs in order to remain competitive.
In fact, my first though was if they had an eVic or iTaste 134 style control ring, it would very nicely work with their menu. I don't think the menu itself is badly designed, I think the access to it is attention-heavy. Its a subtle difference, but it was the one I was making the point with.
I think you're being unnecessarily dismissive. It may be the end of the discussion for you but as is clear there are others who don't think so.
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Those who feel an eVic is a P3 killer should get one, be happy, and stop complaining about a mod they feel is inferior...
I presume you're firing from the hip on this one.
From Star Wars: "Only a Sith deals in absolutes" - thats code for dismissing an argument because you find the debate distasteful, unappealing or inconsistent with your own view. My son stopped doing that after he turned 9. I don't think its that simple and its worth a good discussion amongst people with opposing views to understand why it is appealing to some and not others. I am often swayed to other opinions and don't think less of myself for changing my mind based on a good solid set of facts and counter experiences. An open mind leads to discovery and growth.
I want to be clear - I really want to own this device. I own a ZNA, a VS rDNA, a 7-22, a Copper Manhattan a Hades a BV Spire and both eVics. I don't shy away from expensive mods and I don't condemn inexpensive ones either. What I am saying is I find it hard to make the choice because of the one button system on ergonomic grounds. Thats not the same as condemning the product. If I didn't in fact care, I wouldn't be discussing this in this thread.
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It's a flaw for you, but clearly not for those who use and own one. ProVari aren't for everyone...
This is my favorite Star Wars quote---
This is my favorite Star Wars quote---
Again, that may or may not be true. I don't presume other peoples decisions are that simple.
There are some who value the accuracy, build quality, brand or other aspect of the device higher than the flaw that I perceive. Hearing cogent responses from those people are what interests me. But I don't for a minute believe a P3 = eVic S.
P.S. This actually made me pull out the eVic Supreme and stick my 0.8ohm Orchid V2 on it. Damn thing is compelling for sure but the delay vexes me.
The thought of being penetrated by a Provari is disturbing. Gads, what has been seen cannot be unseen...
One of the biggest scams ever perpetrated on the American people. Coke changes their recipe from real sugar to High Fructose Corn Syrup. Everyone rightfully hates it because HFCS tastes flat compared to real sugar. So after a major public outcry, Coke say's "OK, we hear ya America, you win, were going back". Out comes Coke Classic. A whole new product that's only half real sugar, and half HFCS (which is cheaper, but inferior than real sugar). It tastes better than the new Coke did, but not near as good as the "old" Coke did. Everyone was happy in their ignorance that they just got fleeced, AND on top of us getting screwed, Coke got massive free advertising.
Classic Coke is NOT the old Coke!
best regards, larry mac
I have .... dialed(technically I keep my phone in my front pocket. I don't understand people willfully sitting on their phones) several times, but the button on every Provari I've had has had sufficient *throw stiffness*(can't think of the proper word) that it just NEVER fires in my pocket. Not a single time in over 3 years of using Provari's. Not saying that it couldn't happen, but just based on my own anecdotal data, and based on threads I've seen here in the past on the subject of turning off the Provari, it certainly seems highly unlikely.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/provape/369803-do-you-ever-turn-off-po-your-provari.html
Battery safety is built into the Provari. You don't have to walk on egg shells with how you use it. That's why most Provari users choose it. Turning it off is really only for checking the unloaded voltage or resistance, or using the Provari as a base to build coils without accidentally firing it.
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I watched the loooooong PB review of this device earlier today, I can honestly say that if I was on the fence about whether or not to get one then I would now be firmly in the 'NO' camp.
I know Provari have a big fanbase on this forum, which will seemingly buy/support anything they bring out (much like Taylor Swift's fans buying her '8 seconds of white noise' release), but they are offering very little to sway potential 'new' buyers.
Yes, they are built to last, my old Nokia 3210 still works fantastically, but you won't see me using it because times have changed, technology has changed and needs have changed.
One button system is a step back to the Nivel chip. Yes, one button is less likely to fail than three, but 3 IS the magic number.
I know Provari have a big fanbase on this forum, which will seemingly buy/support anything they bring out (much like Taylor Swift's fans buying her '8 seconds of white noise' release), but they are offering very little to sway potential 'new' buyers.
Yes, they are built to last, my old Nokia 3210 still works fantastically, but you won't see me using it because times have changed, technology has changed and needs have changed.
One button system is a step back to the Nivel chip. Yes, one button is less likely to fail than three, but 3 IS the magic number.
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