One for TB

[jamie]

Thought I would post my weekend experience just for you TB, since it jibes so neatly with some of your predictions.

I vaped in front of some friends of my folks, wasn't thinking about it, and right away they were all OMG SMOKING. A couple of us chimed in right way, no no no, and started trying to explain. They didn't really get it of course, and I was preparing to quietly illustrate and educate, when instead the wife started making, very seriously, these exaggerated physical seizure motions, and proclaiming loudly, "I can feel the nicotine hitting me, I can feel it!!"

 

[Kate]

Dramarama ... too funny

 

[seamist]

Between the OP and Kate's cat pic, I now keep picturing Red Foxx from his show in the 70's when he would fake a heart attack and say, "It's the big one, Elizabeth. I'm coming home."

 

[jamie]

hehehe you're both about right.

They are former smokers who smoked for way too many years to be lessening any risks of their own with such productions. And perfect examples of why I'm not comfortable with the fanboys around here who promote ecigs by castigating smokers and hyping propaganda.

 

[TropicalBob]

Amen and thanks for the story.

At work, my station was visible from the front counter, where customers come to pay bills, etc. My editors had no problem with my e-smoking after I demonstrated it. But .. before long I was told it "looked bad" to customers. I wasn't told not to it, but that was enough of a hint. I joined cigarette smokers outside -- and off property! -- again.

Perceptions matter. And we are all ambassadors of e-smoking. Each of us in public becomes The Face of E-Smoking. And the stories of pleasant surprises or hateful behavior will be told over and over. Opinions matter, too. Be considerate. Surprise people.

 

[seamist]

hehehe you're both about right.

They are former smokers who smoked for way too many years to be lessening any risks of their own with such productions. And perfect examples of why I'm not comfortable with the fanboys around here who promote ecigs by castigating smokers and hyping propaganda.

Agree with you.

I think some ex-smokers will probably always feel tempted by smoking and want anything that reminds them of it out of sight and out of mind. Their anti-smoking zealotry probably has more to do with them feeling tempted than anything else - a bit like St Augustine's obsession with sex and not wanting anyone else to have any after he decided to stop sleeping around.

I still smoke analogs. I'm using my e-cigs in my apartment so I can smoke inside without bugging the neighbors and I plan to take my Pilot with me when visiting London and staying with a non-smoking friend. Also taking snus and already told her that if the e-cig bothers her in any way, I'll just use those when indoors and smoke analogs outside.

 

[breakfastchef]

I concur with the statements by Tropical Bob. There is a subset of activist vapers that feels the need to vape any damn where they please, constantly 'pushing the envelope'. They think it is righteous to push the public to the limit of (in)tolerenace. I fear this group does more harm than good by vaping in restaurants, doctors offices, rest rooms, retail stores, etc. These are the folks we should most fear. They refuse to accept socially acceptable boundaries. For the most part, where you cannot smoke an analog, you should not be vaping a PV.

 

[jamie]

For the most part, where you cannot smoke an analog, you should not be vaping a PV.

I don't agree with aggressive intolerance on the part of anyone. And don't really agree with you either Analog bans are too widespread and only getting broader, if not where you live, where many of the rest of the live. Once you avoid beaches parks playgrounds government property entertainment campuses sports facilities educational campuses medical campuses corporate campuses autos with minors your own home if you daycare or foster parent apartment buildings public housing 25 feet from 50 feet from blahblahblah... I don't think new rules from vapers are going to help either, and then we might as well just shun ecigs all together, if the message we send is that they should be shunned.

 

[DisMan]

I concur with the statements by Tropical Bob. There is a subset of activist vapers that feels the need to vape any damn where they please, constantly 'pushing the envelope'. They think it is righteous to push the public to the limit of (in)tolerenace. I fear this group does more harm than good by vaping in restaurants, doctors offices, rest rooms, retail stores, etc. These are the folks we should most fear. They refuse to accept socially acceptable boundaries. For the most part, where you cannot smoke an analog, you should not be vaping a PV.

And fags like to make out in public. What's your point?

 

[wv2win]

I concur with the statements by Tropical Bob. There is a subset of activist vapers that feels the need to vape any damn where they please, constantly 'pushing the envelope'. They think it is righteous to push the public to the limit of (in)tolerenace. I fear this group does more harm than good by vaping in restaurants, doctors offices, rest rooms, retail stores, etc. These are the folks we should most fear. They refuse to accept socially acceptable boundaries. For the most part, where you cannot smoke an analog, you should not be vaping a PV.

No disrespect but you almost sound like you have been brainwashed. I don't see the need to go out of my way to annoy others. But if I am not harming others or breaking a law, then I should be left alone. There has been legislation proposed to ban smoking indoors everywhere, even in ones own home and within 100 feet of any structure and 500 feet from any bus stop. That would pretty much eliminate smoking anywhere unless you are rich enough to own 100 acre spread. So would that be enough for you to stand up for your rights or would you just say, OK, I'm sorry?

 

[breakfastchef]

Fellas, I am not saying we should not vape in public, nor should our right to choose be under attack. Just because you use a personal vaporizer, does not necessarily give you a new right. It does give you a new responsibility. A responsibility to vape safely for yourself and to be an ambassador to the public for vaping. What I am saying is we should vape smart. As wv2win said, "I don't see the need to go out of my way to annoy others."

If you think you have the birthright to vape wherever and whenever you please, then we have very little to discuss. Fags kissing in public, though a gray area, is acceptable as long as they are vaping (PV's, that is).

 

[taukimada]

Fellas, I am not saying we should not vape in public, nor should our right to choose be under attack. Just because you use a personal vaporizer, does not necessarily give you a new right. It does give you a new responsibility. A responsibility to vape safely for yourself and to be an ambassador to the public for vaping. What I am saying is we should vape smart. As wv2win said, "I don't see the need to go out of my way to annoy others."

If you think you have the birthright to vape wherever and whenever you please, then we have very little to discuss. Fags kissing in public, though a gray area, is acceptable as long as they are vaping (PV's, that is).

i can't believe im about to go there but....

are you saying it's ok to be a "vaping ..." but not a "flaming ..."??

i AM joking

 

[40oz]

This is a kind of touchy subject. I think that people are going to hate on us even if we are polite about our vaping. I was typically a respectful smoker when i was using analogs, i would refrain from smoking in my own house plenty because of family visiting and what not. I withold the same practice with vaping. Some people simpily arent going to like it. They dont understand it and have no desire to go research it, instead they chose for themselves whether or not its something they want around them.

I still go outside at work for my breaks because its part of my routine, aside from the fact that i wouldnt want to really use an ecig in my workplace. Im not saying that nobody should but to me its dissrespectful to some extent. I wouldnt use it in bars or stores i frequent unless invited to do so. Thats just how i deal with it personally though. Though its not my thing, i see no problem with people that want to ask for a manager to see about ecigs in pubs, stores, so on. You also gotta take into consideration, this is someone elses business so give them a damn break. If they dont want it dont press the issue!

I might have a somewhat twisted viewpoint as ive never seen another ecig in person other than my own. Ive never seen someone else vaping in my area. I work, live, and attend college in different towns. I was a minority as a cigarette smoker and even more so now as an ecig vaper. Last time i checked, the smoking minority kinda got screwed over pretty much everywhere, mainly because of public opinion. Im thinkin ill avoid the in your face i can vape everywhere beotches attitude.

 

[lordmage]

40oz here here that is my sentiment excactly

 

[wv2win]

I have to disagree about "hiding" in dark corners or vaping only where the few places left for analog smokers to smoke. If we take that position, then just through our actions alone, we are telling the general public "this is exactly like smoking tobacco and you should be very, very afraid of us".

That being said, I believe we need to be "smart" good will ambassadors for our electronic vaporizers. As I have stated in other posts on this forum, I have made up little business cards with the forum's web address, other informational web sites and the addresses of several suppliers. I am also making up a small card to give to the "uninformed" that basically states: "I am using a personal electronic vaporizer similar to the large vaporizers used in a child's room who has a cold. I am not burning or smoking tobacco and my device produces only water vapor. I am not breaking any law or harming others in any way. Thank you for respecting my right to use an electronic vaporizer."

I also take the time to explain the device to resturant servers/managers or others that I am around if I use it in an area where smoking is prohibited. If after all of that, they still want to be a "snot" about it, they can kiss my a**!

Edit: I will, ofcourse, respect the wishes of business owners who do not want me to vape in their establishment. It is their property and their right. And I will try hard not to say anything about their lack of intelligence.

 

[Tar Free]

Amen and thanks for the story.

At work, my station was visible from the front counter, where customers come to pay bills, etc. My editors had no problem with my e-smoking after I demonstrated it. But .. before long I was told it "looked bad" to customers. I wasn't told not to it, but that was enough of a hint. I joined cigarette smokers outside -- and off property! -- again.

Perceptions matter. And we are all ambassadors of e-smoking. Each of us in public becomes The Face of E-Smoking. And the stories of pleasant surprises or hateful behavior will be told over and over. Opinions matter, too. Be considerate. Surprise people.

I too agree TBob, Out of respect for and at the workplace, if the same situation arrises I would feel obligated to join the regular smokers as well. But, probably sneak in some vapes in the washroom...