FDA Opinion about "kid" juice flavor

[vlodato]

Why is it ok that you can buy a bottle of whipped creme, strawberry, watermelon, etc flavored vodka. Yet cotton candy juice is the devil and you know how kids can't resist cotton candy. Am I the only one who can't wrap their heads around any of this? It's the equivalent of saying hey scissors are dangerous, kids like the color red so you can no longer produce scissors in the color red.


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[Lessifer]

It's a ridiculous lie, designed to evoke emotion instead of rational thought.

 

[B2L]

Why is it ok that you can buy a bottle of whipped creme, strawberry, watermelon, etc flavored vodka. Yet cotton candy juice is the devil and you know how kids can't resist cotton candy. Am I the only one who can't wrap their heads around any of this? It's the equivalent of saying hey scissors are dangerous, kids like the color red so you can no longer produce scissors in the color red.


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Because sales of red scissors don't threaten their financial prognosis

Also, and I'm not blaming it on this, some juice vendors fed the fire by putting labels on their juice with cartoonish figures and graphics. I don't think that had any impact at all on the regulations, but I'm sure it has impacted the non vaping publics perception therefore lessening the resistance to regulation by the dumb masses. It made for a pretty convincing slide show presentation if one was not familiar with vaping as a whole.

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[vlodato]

Because sales of red scissors don't threaten their financial prognosis

Also, and I'm not blaming it on this, some juice vendors fed the fire by putting labels on their juice with cartoonish figures and graphics. I don't think that had any impact at all on the regulations, but I'm sure it has impacted the non vaping publics perception therefore lessening the resistance to regulation by the dumb masses. It made for a pretty convincing slide show presentation if one was not familiar with vaping as a whole.

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I agree with all of that. Well said.

 

[vlodato]

It's a ridiculous lie, designed to evoke emotion instead of rational thought.

Very well said. I don't even know why I posted that. I just read something and it really ground my gears.

 

[B2L]

Very well said. I don't even know why I posted that. I just read something and it really grinder my gears.

As well it should, grinder your gears that is

 

[sawlight]

Because "it's all about the children!" Unless there's money to be made! How much money are they making off the sales of flavored liquor? How much money are liquor producers putting into lobbyist?
Same with big tobacco. It's easy, we don't like this, they don't have that much money, so lets kill it off so we can take care of the people that are feeding us money.
Always follow the money and special interest, that's how decisions are made. Again, we have the best government money can by, plain and simple.

 

[vlodato]

As well it should, grinder your gears that is

Ugh auto correct will be the death of me. I'd wager that anger from auto correct is actually more harmful to my health then vaping.

 

[B2L]

Ugh auto correct will be the death of me. I'd wager that anger from auto correct is actually more harmful to my health then vaping.

I resemble that remark

 

[Lessifer]

Very well said. I don't even know why I posted that. I just read something and it really ground my gears.

Well, it's one of the most often repeated lies out there. It's been repeated so much that plenty of vapers believe it as well, or at least think it might be true. The truth is people of all ages are attracted to flavors, and packaging, of many types. Cigarettes don't have kid friendly flavors or packaging, but plenty of teenagers pick up smoking every day.

There is a significant difference between having a product that could appeal to minors, and targeting minors with marketing. If you're advertising on television channels popular with minors, during the times that they're likely to be watching, you're targeting minors. If you have children in your ads enjoying your product, you're targeting minors. If you have a unicorn vomiting on the box of your strawberry milkshake liquid that can only be sold to adults, and is only on display in stores or on websites that cater to the vaping industry, you're not targeting minors, you're targeting vapers.

 

[B2L]

Well, it's one of the most often repeated lies out there. It's been repeated so much that plenty of vapers believe it as well, or at least think it might be true. The truth is people of all ages are attracted to flavors, and packaging, of many types. Cigarettes don't have kid friendly flavors or packaging, but plenty of teenagers pick up smoking every day.

There is a significant difference between having a product that could appeal to minors, and targeting minors with marketing. If you're advertising on television channels popular with minors, during the times that they're likely to be watching, you're targeting minors. If you have children in your ads enjoying your product, you're targeting minors. If you have a unicorn vomiting on the box of your strawberry milkshake liquid that can only be sold to adults, and is only on display in stores or on websites that cater to the vaping industry, you're not targeting minors, you're targeting vapers.

And if you're banning it, your all but guaranteeing that minors are going to flock to it. I think this action by the FDA will have consequences they have not considered, that being just one example.

 

[sofarsogood]

Why is it ok that you can buy a bottle of whipped creme, strawberry, watermelon, etc flavored vodka. Yet cotton candy juice is the devil and you know how kids can't resist cotton candy. Am I the only one who can't wrap their heads around any of this? It's the equivalent of saying hey scissors are dangerous, kids like the color red so you can no longer produce scissors in the color red.


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How about common sense. Cigarettes taste awful but kids still smoke them. When kids want junk food they go for the real thing. It's calorie consious grownups who care about the flavors.

 

[sonicbomb]

Another bilious lie plunged into the back, bleeding but out of reach.

 

[rico942]

It's a ridiculous lie, designed to evoke emotion instead of rational thought.

My observation of non-vapers who have repeated this to me, they automatically assume its a huge problem already, that hordes of adolescents are drawn to e-juice flavors like flies to politicians ...

"How could it get SO much media attention unless its a real crisis", they ask in earnest ?

Facts will not dissuade them, only mass retractions would do that. Those reversals, if ever, will be obscure and ignored ...

"Flavored e-juice = kid magnet" is already part of "conventional wisdom", which is neither conventional nor wise ...

 

[Lessifer]

"How could it get SO much media attention unless its a real crisis", they ask in earnest ?

And that is there purpose. Instill the fear, and make it so that anyone who speaks in favor of vaping is callous and uncaring at best, and at worst, a BT shill going after your children.

They make it so that, in spite of a lack of evidence to support it, we have to support age restrictions(or we're evil), which in turn supports the need for the regulations that will kill the industry.

 

[rico942]

And if your a media editor, print, cable or internet, and you have to decide, which story gets the most attention, ratings, and income ?

The Royal College of Physicians endorses vaping ?

Or another battery explosion panic ?

 

[Jman8]

What I find hard to understand is that if kids are attracted to these flavors, and using them, they are (in today's world) doing so illicitly. Likely all states now have laws forbidding minor purchase or use. Sure there are exceptions, but the overwhelming data would support the underground market usage.

So stricter laws on adults could impact that, but won't actually change the fact that kids are already first participants in a black market, where the rules in essence don't apply. The only rule that would clearly apply is you can't advertise, openly, in that market.

The part I find hard to understand is that clearly kids are attracted to, find appealing things that are intended for adults, even if laws are passed prohibiting them from engaging in that. Seems like it would take loads of ignorance to not understand what is actually occurring there. And so I find it hard to understand why so many adults are childish in relation to what is evidenced in this ongoing predicament that adults find themselves in. But, I'll continue to treat them (adults) as the children they are acting as, for their appeal to ignorance is surely well known.

 

[sawlight]

What I find hard to understand is that if kids are attracted to these flavors, and using them, they are (in today's world) doing so illicitly. Likely all states now have laws forbidding minor purchase or use. Sure there are exceptions, but the overwhelming data would support the underground market usage.

So stricter laws on adults could impact that, but won't actually change the fact that kids are already first participants in a black market, where the rules in essence don't apply. The only rule that would clearly apply is you can't advertise, openly, in that market.

The part I find hard to understand is that clearly kids are attracted to, find appealing things that are intended for adults, even if laws are passed prohibiting them from engaging in that. Seems like it would take loads of ignorance to not understand what is actually occurring there. And so I find it hard to understand why so many adults are childish in relation to what is evidenced in this ongoing predicament that adults find themselves in. But, I'll continue to treat them (adults) as the children they are acting as, for their appeal to ignorance is surely well known.

As completely correct as you are, that is a logical statement, it has no place in this argument. We are pulling at heart strings, not making logical arguments.
Look at the mess years ago with "Joe Camel", there wasn't anything drawing kids because of that idiotic camel, but they sure sold it.

 

[Zipslack]

Forget the kids...all this talk makes me want to go get some Gummi Bear juice.

 

[DC2]

And if you're banning it, your all but guaranteeing that minors are going to flock to it. I think this action by the FDA will have consequences they have not considered, that being just one example.

You think they give a crap about the consequences?
Well, aren't you just precious.

EDIT: Sorry, didn't mean to sound like I was making fun of you, which I wasn't
EDIT: But I really just couldn't resist saying "aren't you precious"
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