Precisely the reason I eat jello. I find eating Jello keeps my joints supple, especially orange Jello.
Ox tails are good for that too
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Ox tails are good for that too
To be fair, even my (vaping) doc believes that nicotine causes slight constriction in the blood vessels and may impact the heart or cardio system. With that said, he states that it is orders of magnitude less problematic than smoking. He doesn't even really encourage me to reduce my nic at THIS point in my vaping journey (though he says it's a reasonable target to shoot for). I'm a smidge ADHD and there is Alzheimer's in my family so I do see some benefit to nicotine and plan to reduce it if life ever gets less stressful.
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Shouldn't that last word be smoking?
That is so true though. Regardless of what nicotine itself does, getting rid of all the other extremely harmful substances is going to be better. Personally I am significantly healthier since switching to vaping and even if nicotine restricts blood vessels I can say for sure my blood pressure is better since the switch. It was never really too high, just borderline top of the middle. Now it's more like right at the perfect range.
The link is missing, that's ok I've read it or 1000s of others like it. It is the same outline to all them funded health articles posted everyday. Now that companies, the AMA and a whole host of others have spent billions of dollars to educate us, you ever think what their motive is. They are trying to sell you something, either directly or to enlist you to their way of thinking to sell you something later. All these people are in business and I really applaud EFC Admin for removing these unsolicited ads. Cause hear on this Forum it's about living life on our terms, like:
Ya, Ya, Ya, Yak, Yak, Yak. I have a number of friends that have now tested as non smokers for insurance reasons. Yes they vape. The tests came back with "trace" levels of nicotine that were attributed the the normal consumption of fruits and vegetables. Nicotine is a natural occurring insecticide in fruits and vegetables. Potatoes particularly have a relatively high level. So vape on! and eat potatoes slowly. Don't want a heart attack!
Eh. I tend to take "new study" articles with a grain of salt for a few reasons:
1. Generally, science is about finding consensus. Mistakes are made and the same research being done time and again by different groups helps to weed out mistakes, biases, and narrow down why some studies show one result and others show another.
2. Living beings have a lower and higher threshold for various chemicals, minerals, etc. People have died from drinking too much water under certain circumstances. Literally everything can be deadly with too much or too little of it.
3. Human bodies are extremely complex. Very tiny variances can cause huge differences in how safe, and in what amount, something is. Variances in diet, genetics, past injuries, living situation, etc, etc, etc. And that's before taking mutations in the genetic code into account.
Even if these articles are accurate, it would likely be highly circumstantial.
Besides which, that same nicotine is absorbed through smoking which is well known for its dangers.
1. Generally, science is about finding consensus. Mistakes are made and the same research being done time and again by different groups helps to weed out mistakes, biases, and narrow down why some studies show one result and others show another.
2. Living beings have a lower and higher threshold for various chemicals, minerals, etc. People have died from drinking too much water under certain circumstances. Literally everything can be deadly with too much or too little of it.
3. Human bodies are extremely complex. Very tiny variances can cause huge differences in how safe, and in what amount, something is. Variances in diet, genetics, past injuries, living situation, etc, etc, etc. And that's before taking mutations in the genetic code into account.
Even if these articles are accurate, it would likely be highly circumstantial.
Besides which, that same nicotine is absorbed through smoking which is well known for its dangers.
I really expect someday someone will write a paper on the calming effect of nicotine. Then it will come out on Dr Oz and the price of nicotine goes up 10 fold as investors corner the market.
Yes! 22 years ago in December.
As far as "the reports", I don't think anybody questions the facts that risks "increase." The question should be by how much? Is that "increase" from 10% to 12%, 50% or 80%?
I tried everything for about 5 years to quit the smokes, some more successful then others, but all failed. I asked my cardiologist at that time what was going to kill me first, smoking or stress? His response was something about he couldn't condone smoking. I took it as extreme stress was at least equally as bad as smoking. Then and now, I've thought it interesting everybody says stop smoking, yet nobody even suggests or comments about lowering or eliminating stress. Then there is the genetics factor. My dad and both his brothers died from heart failure. For me, that sounds like 3 strikes and you're out! And we won't even talk about my poor eating habits. But can anybody accurately rate which factor "increased" my risk the most and by how much? I guess at the least, it was/is 100% combined for me.
Now I am 3+ years smoke free with vaping. When I quit, both my GP and cardiologist gave me a big thumbs up and changed my records to former smoker. Both suggested dropping or eliminating the nicotine, but neither has even asked if I have since.
IMHO, there is absolutely nothing one can do to eliminate all risk of heart attack or stroke. The best we can do is lower that risk. To my knowledge so far, nobody has established a level of risk for vaping over not vaping. By vaping rather then smoking, retirement heavily reducing stress, and at least some changes in eating habits since my heart attack, my risk level should have dropped some. But some risk will always remain.
I'm having a hard time believing that they are telling you the truth.
At least based on my experience...
Cotinine testing - Day three of zero nicotine
Do you have more details?
I'd be very interested.
What I find funny is how the FDA totally allows fluoride to be put in our water and dental products. Fluoride can weaken bones and ligaments, and cause muscle weakness and nervous system problems, and even affect reproductive organs and fertility. Some studies also seem to indicate that it can interfere with proper brain function and cause migraines. So in essence there is more evidence that fluoride can cause more problems than nicotine yet fluoride isn't even on the radar.
Well, now theyre saying the roasting process make coffee carcinogenic. Wtf? I dont believe any of it. Drink coffee and vape on.
I'll just toss this in as regards heart risk and nicotine. I am certain that for me vaping 3mg nic is not in anyway risky as smoking a pack+ of cigs a day was.
I know this because, I feel better now, sleep better now, can walk a lot more including upstairs without problem. I had extremely high Blood pressure while smoking and was on fairly high doses of two blood pressure medications. My blood pressure dropped quite a bit after stopping smoking, still taking meds but lower dosages. My heart rate was always high back when I was smoking, 90 - 100 resting, it has returned to normal levels.
Now the nicotine may not be ideal for me but it is a far better choice than smoking was.
I know this because, I feel better now, sleep better now, can walk a lot more including upstairs without problem. I had extremely high Blood pressure while smoking and was on fairly high doses of two blood pressure medications. My blood pressure dropped quite a bit after stopping smoking, still taking meds but lower dosages. My heart rate was always high back when I was smoking, 90 - 100 resting, it has returned to normal levels.
Now the nicotine may not be ideal for me but it is a far better choice than smoking was.
No I do not believe it.
I suppose if you are already too far down the road of extremely poor health it would not be a good idea, but most stimulants are out for you at this point anyways.
Getting pretty sick of scare tactics and bad information promoted by greedy control freaks. Only thing worse is the idiot that is fooled.
I suppose if you are already too far down the road of extremely poor health it would not be a good idea, but most stimulants are out for you at this point anyways.
Getting pretty sick of scare tactics and bad information promoted by greedy control freaks. Only thing worse is the idiot that is fooled.
Post history in total follows, Maybe @Brianc123 will come back this time and actually join the conversation?
Very interesting...
Very interesting...
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