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Outrageous Distortions, Cont. Fox News calls E-cigs a "Gateway Drug"

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  1. Vwls

    Vwls Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jun 22, 2013
    AZ
    E-cigarettes a 'gateway' to harder drugs, study says

    foxnews.
    com/health/2014/09/04/e-cigarettes-gateway-to-harder-drugs-study-says/

    "E-cigarettes a 'gateway' to harder drugs, study says | Fox News"

    Wow - I've heard some doosies, but this one is out there.
     
  2. Nate760

    Nate760 Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Mar 11, 2014
    San Marcos, CA, USA
    Aside from the fact that it didn't involve A) e-cigs, or B) human beings, it's a really instructive study.
     
  3. ROM CGY

    ROM CGY Full Member

    Sep 28, 2014
    Calgary, AB Canada
    ... gateway to spending countless hours watching vape gear reviews on Youtube
     
  4. Vwls

    Vwls Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jun 22, 2013
    AZ
    The only thing that can be definitively proven is that vaping is a gateway to gear-buying addiction.

    But seriously - this article is so poorly constructed that it doesn't even border on being journalism.
     
  5. Kent C

    Kent C ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jun 12, 2009
    NW Ohio US
    The article in full was published by a main stream media source - Reuters:

    in.reuters.
    com/article/2014/09/03/us-heatlh-nicotine-ecigarettes-idINKBN0GY2KZ20140903

    "Like regular cigarettes, e-cigs a 'gateway' to harder drugs: study | Reuters"

    The article, like many Reuters pieces was reported by the NY Times, PBS, Medscape, NBC, Boston Globe and many others.
     
  6. Katya

    Katya ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Supporting member
    Feb 23, 2010
    SoCal

    Right. The study was published in the NEJM--Fox is reporting. We decide. ;)

    What I learned from the study:

    and

    I'm good with that.
     
  7. catlady60

    catlady60 Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Nov 14, 2013
    Nazareth, PA
    E-cigs are a gateway, all right--a gateway to high-powered VV/VV and/or mechanical mods, RDAs, and RTAs, including subohm builds.
     
  8. ISGRidge

    ISGRidge Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Sep 22, 2014
    Ohio
    Yeah... The "study" is a gateway to more funding... for more studies. LOL
     
  9. AndriaD

    AndriaD Reviewer / Blogger Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 24, 2014
    LawrencevilleGA
    Yeah, I've already been there/done that with the "harder drugs"... no need to experiment any further, as I've already proven extensively that "hard drugs" will either kill you or make you wish you were dead. At this point I just like being able to stay off coffin nails, by vaping.

    And as I pointed out in another thread, that apparently the ANTZ check to Fox has cleared, since they started out somewhat pro e-cigs (Gutfield) and seem to be slipping further into the slimy morass of ANTZ stupidity. Money does have the most amazing lubricating abilities.

    Andria
     
  10. Alien Traveler

    Alien Traveler Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Jul 3, 2014
    United States
  11. JimmyDB

    JimmyDB Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Sep 3, 2014
    There is a really good breakdown of the study at the following link... which is pro-vape, so i didn't see a need to break the link.

    From Vapor to Powder: Are E-Cigarettes a Gateway Drug?


    here is a snippit... or two...

     
  12. Alien Traveler

    Alien Traveler Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Jul 3, 2014
    United States
    Unfortunately the original study was published in one of the most respected scientific journals, while a “breakdown” – just a somebodies opinion placed on obscure “vapingcheap” site.
     
  13. Vwls

    Vwls Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jun 22, 2013
    AZ
    Agreed, but the article Jimmy sited does a good job of refuting the original article - we should refer to it when this comes up.
     
  14. DC2

    DC2 Tootie Puffer Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jun 21, 2009
    San Diego
    The breakdown of this study has been posted a few places on this forum, and by many tobacco harm reduction experts.
    But yeah, none of that breakdown ever saw the light of day in the mainstream media.

    I really do understand why most informed vapers detest the ANTZ, and Big Pharma, and the government efforts against vaping.
    But in the end, none of this would be possible without the mainstream media aiding and abetting them.

    I think we as a group let the mainstream media off way to easy around here.
     
  15. JimmyDB

    JimmyDB Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Sep 3, 2014
    I never said the break down was 'the end all be all' or published in the Wall Street Journal. I get your point, but I choose not to only see the negative sides.

    I don't only share these things here. I call the politicians, write them emails, CASAA (and other groups), etc. AND... I have about 'a supply' of NIC if I stop giving it away or wasting it... so I'm not just fighting things from a single front, I'm covered, I don't have to care if they tax e-juice 32%+ on a personal level. I'm more than capable of making my own equipment from the ground up and mixing my own juice. I don't speak my mind just for myself and I sure don't just knock someones post for no good reason.

    Are you just angry about something else (it happens, we are human... well you might be an alien, but the rest of us are... maybe)? I'll contact the researcher and ask others to do the same if you think that would help anything...

    So, seriously... how do you suggest we combat such releases of information?
     
  16. Vwls

    Vwls Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jun 22, 2013
    AZ
    Jimmy, all Alien was pointing out is that people take information more seriously based on the source. In other words, utter nonsense will be believed and lauded by the general public if it hails from a respected publication, while truth that is published in an online blog or small magazine will be ignored... if it's even read. This is just the way of the world.
     
  17. Kent C

    Kent C ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jun 12, 2009
    NW Ohio US
    The Nobel prize has been degraded to the level of the self-congratulatory circle jerks that are known as the Oscars and the Emmys. (as are many of the 'most respected science journals'). Those who appeal to them are only using that particular logical fallacy rather than making a case. More truth comes from free communication (like in blogs) than from those who like to think of themselves as the 'intellectual elite'.
     
  18. JimmyDB

    JimmyDB Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Sep 3, 2014
    I'm not sure that was the purpose of the post... I'm not sure many actually 'check their sources' either. But you do make a good point.
     
  19. dragonpuff

    dragonpuff Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    That is really the issue. We would all like to see honest journalism, but it is impossible to come by in mainstream media these days - all major media is owned by somebody, and that somebody has vested interests, and friends with vested interests... these days if it's on basic cable or in a well known newspaper or magazine, it won't be fully honest.

    Think of it this way - imagine all of the pharmaceutical ads you see on television. All of those ads represent a financial agreement between that TV station and that pharmaceutical company. Let's say, specifically, we are talking about ABC running ads from Pfizer, for example. This means that Pfizer is paying ABC to run these commercials. Now, when the topic of Chantix comes up on the 11 o'clock news, do you really think ABC's going to be fully honest, knowing that it could cost them millions of dollars in advertisements?? I don't think so.

    Now multiply this effect by every single from of mainstream media, and every heavily-advertised brand-name product. That is your reality.

    And, unfortunately, this is still what most people trust as their main source of "honest" information. Anyone who really wants the truth must read between the lines and dig up alternative, sometimes buried, sources of information.
     
  20. dragonpuff

    dragonpuff Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    I am actually the author of this article :) thank you for reading it and sharing it. I just recently started writing articles for that website, and I have yet to link or publicize here because I have to register under forum rules (I'll have to get on that shortly...). This is actually the first article I've ever had published anywhere :) I hope to have a bigger platform in the future, but for now I am glad to be able to write for this website and get my feet wet.

    Unfortunately, given my interests and writing style, I'm pretty sure mainstream media is not in my future. :laugh:
     
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