This is crazy. I have an idea of what's going to happen when more get into homemade. Don't want to give any govt stooges ideas though.
Does this apply to juice with no nicotine?
Does this apply to juice with no nicotine?
This is crazy. I have an idea of what's going to happen when more get into homemade. Don't want to give any govt stooges ideas though.
Does this apply to juice with no nicotine?
The PA Vape Association, the Vapor Technology Association and PVA's lobbying firm Kinser & Associates (and probably lobbyists for RJ Reynolds and Altria) are now lobbying PA legislators to replace PA's 40% wholesale tax on all vapor products with a $.075/ml tax on e-liquid (to be paid when product is sold to consumer).
While that change would slash the tax on cigalike e-cigs by >95% (as the 40% tax on a $5 wholesale cigalike is now $2, and would decline to < $.075 since cigalikes contain <1ml of e-liquid), the change would increase the tax on most e-liquid (as the 40% tax on a $8 wholesale 60ml bottle of e-liquid is now $3.20, and would increase to $4.50 for 60ml bottles of e-liquid.
The tax change would be a wash for most PA vape shops (i.e. they'd still pay a similar tax) because
the 40% tax on hardware would disappear, because hardware comprises 20%-25% of vape shop sales, and because the new tax would be paid when sold to consumers (instead of when vape shops buy their products at wholesale price) .
Not sure why VTA and PVA's lobbyist urged PVA to endorse a vapor tax change that will greatly benefit Reynolds, Altria and other cigalike e-cig manufacturers, but that will provide little or no tax relief for PA vape shops, while increasing the tax on most e-liquid.
But I wouldn't be surprised if RJ Reynolds and/or Altria lobbyists and/or $$$ was involved.
The PA Constitution requires PA's budget to be approved by June 30 each year, but it often drags on into the first week of July.
I think it does help small shops. The 40% wholesale tax means a shop has 40%more money tied up in inventory, and for a small business, having more tied up in inventory is an extra whammy at income tax time.Amazingly, Jake Bucher's testimony included the following false statement: "the per milliliter tax at the point of sale a fairer method of taxation than a wholesale tax".
Color me confused. I thought this tax was per ml of finished e-liquid, without regard for nicotine level?The tax on 2 ml of 100mg/ml is $.15. I think the vape shops that survived the past year will figure out how to sell a 30ml bottle without breaking their customers' budgets.
The customers that need 12mg/ml eLiquid might up paying around $.27, maybe half that depending on the concentration.
Color me confused. I thought this tax was per ml of finished e-liquid, without regard for nicotine level?
Ah, I didn't realize that. Makes sense now, thanks.Zero nicotine eliquid is not included in the proposed taxed.
Yep, I understood it to be a potential loophole for SF's flavor ban.At least for the time being, several things are pushing open system eliquid distribution in the direction of zero nic flavored eliquid and nicotine in an unflavored solution sold in a separate package. It's the only way a shop will survive in San Fran, the tax all over Cali going over 60%, uncertainty of zero nicotine eliquids future coverage by the deeming regs
Color me confused. I thought this tax was per ml of finished e-liquid, without regard for nicotine level?
I'm curious why you say that, Bill?Also, the last thing the PA legislature should do is encourage even more vapers to mix their own e-liquids.
I'm curious why you say that, Bill?
The way I see it is: The more who learn how to DIY, the fewer will return to smoking when the FDA's hammer drops next year.
I think we're all rooting for that, but I think counting on it would be imprudent.I agree that DIY will sharply increase if FDA's vapor Deeming Ban is implemented next year, but I'm also increasingly confident that it won't be implemented next year.