So I see lots of options for the full size LT, but what about the mini? Does Panny make a "IMR" 18350?
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Panasonic Japanese made 2250mah 10A IMR battery. An AW Slayer?
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Just got 4 in from orbtronic. $7.59 each with free shipping. They work great and are a perfect fit. The included charger with my tube from vapingzone charges these fine to 4.19.
Ordered on 04/11 about 9pm and received on 04/14...FL to CO. Pretty good for free shipping.
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These things take ridiculously long to charge, 6 hours and still not green...
I took it off early and got 4.1v, using a TR-001 (100?)
I took it off early and got 4.1v, using a TR-001 (100?)
Shouldn't they look something like this?
http://industrial.panasonic.com/www-data/gif/ACA4000/ACA4000SC1.gif
I have no panasonic logo or anything.
http://industrial.panasonic.com/www-data/gif/ACA4000/ACA4000SC1.gif
I have no panasonic logo or anything.
Panasonic markets their batteries under several "lines". The industrial lines all look like that pic. The consumer lines look different. Some come with no logo and are meant to be re-wrapped, which they may or may not be. Regardless, they are the same batteries. Some particular models are not available at all, except in the industrial line. The CGR is marketed in both lines. They're the same battery. It just depends on how, and to whom, they are distributed.
You probably need a higher mA charger..just don't go higher than recommended..I mean your charger probably works just fine but higher mA will get it done faster. I just looked up your TR-001 and it's only 500mA..the charger that came with my "LT" is 800mA and it's for charging higher mAh batteries..I believe you can charge high drain/mAh batteries at around 1500mAh but look up the specs to be sure...
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as critter said, it's due to the charger.
my unbranded 1500 mah IMRs that I got with my LT takes around that time to fully charge on the TR-001.
I don't mind it so much. it charges everything from 10440 to 18650 and have had no problems from the charger so...
4.1 is what I get fully charged. perhaps if I left it on longer it would hit 4.2 but I'm weary about leaving these batts in chargers too long. I can live with .1 less.
I'm getting something like 13-15 hours running 4v. with 2 ohm carto in a tank so...
That's about right. My 1600mah IMRs take about 5 hours, but I don't run them down below 3.7 or 3.8V. What happens is that they charge to 4.0 or 4.1V, then the charging current kicks down for that last .1 or .2V. Also, if they're new, they might not charge all the way to 4.2V for the first couple charges.
The way I see it, as long as the battery lasts a lot longer than it takes to charge, it's cool. It's always best to charge a battery slow. It takes me 8 hours to run a battery down from 4.2 to 3.8V. It takes just under 5 hours to fill it back up so that's fine with me.
Don't make mistake, and get 500mA charger, for high current (IMR) batteries you need 1A li-ion 18650 charger.
I'm not sure it's really a mistake to get a 500ma charger, it just takes longer, and it's not like a slower charge is bad for the battery or more dangerous than a 1000ma charger.
That said, I would be interested to hear any reasons why I should get a more expensive charger than the tr-001? I only have 18650's, both protected and aw imr.
You will understand if you actually read posts above.
Reason for 1A, and 2A charger is that IMR, and hybrid IMR can be charged at much higher rate. Panasonic CGR18650CH recommended charging is 1.5A.
It has excellent discharging characteristics, why not use excellent charging feature, and one of them is charging at higher current.
Everybody is talking about capacity, and discharging characteristics, but I do not see anybody did mention one important feature - speedy charging. This "speedy" means a few hours, not 30 min. of course.
If you don't care about speed of charging, there is no compelling reason to charge a battery any faster than 500ma. The recommendation from the mfg. is based on what is safe, doesn't harm the battery, and as quick as possible. There is no downside to charging slower as long as you have the time. There are other, more arcane reasons to get a better charger than the TR-001, but a slow charge is not one of them.
A battery's worst enemy is heat. A slow charge ensures minimal heat. In the case of the CGR18650CH, it may be irrelevant, but a slower charge certainly won't hurt anything or reduce the life of your battery. I'm not sure about the other batteries you have. It may be that they should be charged slower than the Panny.
Just to clarify.
My post was directed to this guy (many others probably experiencing the same "long" charge "problem").
My post was directed to this guy (many others probably experiencing the same "long" charge "problem").
Thanks.
What are these "arcane" reasons...?
I guess what I'm trying to ask is this: if I only have ****fire, aw imr, and these panasonics (on the way,) are there any reasons for me to get a more expensive charger, besides charging time? I mean I got my tr-001 for like $10, so are there any reasons besides charging time to get a "better" one?
If you do not mind long charging time, and as long as your TR-001 is charging them to (or below) 4.2V <<-- (this is important) you do not need better charger.
I was afraid you'd ask that. First, IMO, there's really no reason to get a more expensive charger. Some total tech-heads may disagree, but I'm not a fanatic about squeezing the last possible millisecond out of my batteries' lifespan.
If you look at graphs of the charging rate, and you analyze the algorithms of the TR-001 as compared to certain models of Xtars or Pilas, those chargers provide a superior charge. If you google Xtar or go directly to the site, you will see some CPF side-by-side reviews, complete with graphs and charts that illustrate this. The last review with data charts I saw was high up on the first page of google search result of "Xtar". CandlePowerForums is chock full of flashlight and battery geeks, so they take all this stuff way too seriously, IMO. But, if you're interested, it's probably the best place on earth to find out the lowdown on batteries and chargers. After all, CPF is where AW (Andy Wang) got his start selling batteries.
BTW, unless you want to get caught up in a hobby that makes vaping expenses seem like childs play, don't wander around too much at CPF. Hear me now or believe me later. Been there, done that.
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