Panasonic Japanese made 2250mah 10A IMR battery. An AW Slayer?

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I was afraid you'd ask that. First, IMO, there's really no reason to get a more expensive charger. Some total tech-heads may disagree, but I'm not a fanatic about squeezing the last possible millisecond out of my batteries' lifespan.

If you look at graphs of the charging rate, and you analyze the algorithms of the TR-001 as compared to certain models of Xtars or Pilas, those chargers provide a superior charge. If you google Xtar or go directly to the site, you will see some CPF side-by-side reviews, complete with graphs and charts that illustrate this. The last review with data charts I saw was high up on the first page of google search result of "Xtar". CandlePowerForums is chock full of flashlight and battery geeks, so they take all this stuff way too seriously, IMO. But, if you're interested, it's probably the best place on earth to find out the lowdown on batteries and chargers. After all, CPF is where AW (Andy Wang) got his start selling batteries.

BTW, unless you want to get caught up in a hobby that makes vaping expenses seem like childs play, don't wander around too much at CPF. Hear me now or believe me later. Been there, done that.


You are absolutely right, especially about CPF.
 

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Lol, thanks guys.

It never charges above 4.2v.

I have looked around cpf a little, found some good info there for sure. I have been thinking about getting a 18650 flashlight, hope I don't get all into them though...

Thanks for confirming that the tr-001 is fine for my needs.
HaHa. No problem. Just don't blame me when you get all hooked into flashlights. I was into that site heavily back around 2000, when an LED flashlight was a rare novelty. I have flashlights that cost me $200 that are about the same as you can get at dealextreme now for $20 or less.

Yep. One night I was strolling along with my new LED flashlight. I had an onion on my belt, which was the fashion of the day.........
 

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CandlePowerForums is chock full of flashlight and battery geeks, so they take all this stuff way too seriously, IMO. But, if you're interested, it's probably the best place on earth to find out the lowdown on batteries and chargers. After all, CPF is where AW (Andy Wang) got his start selling batteries.

BTW, unless you want to get caught up in a hobby that makes vaping expenses seem like childs play, don't wander around too much at CPF. Hear me now or believe me later. Been there, done that.

I found those forums by accident a few weeks ago when researching batteries.

I was quite shocked.

Can you explain why there is such an interest in batteries and flashlights?

I couldn't make sense of it.
 

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Cause flashlights are cool. They were especially cool when I used to be into them because LEDs had just started being practical (but expensive) for flashlights and the difference between a good LED flashlight and a regular one was amazing. The idea of holding that much illumination in your palm, of lighting up a house 300 yards away with something the size of a roll of quarters was fascinating. A tiny little flashlight could put out as much light as my big giant D-cell Maglite. I also learned all about batteries back then, so I won't be blowing my face up with my e-cig. You'll also find a lot of people on CPF who use flashlights extensively, cops, guards, military types, EMTs, campers, fishermen, sailormen and the guy who scrambles around in your attic...
 

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Lol... Your on a role sailorman, first the abe simpson impression and then working your name into your great explanation of why people are so into cpf. So again, I say lol. (which to me does not mean physically laughing but simply mentally laughing, so I guess I should be using limh -laughing in my head... Hmm li-mh, that sounds like a battery chemistry, lol.)
 

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Cause flashlights are cool. They were especially cool when I used to be into them because LEDs had just started being practical (but expensive) for flashlights and the difference between a good LED flashlight and a regular one was amazing. The idea of holding that much illumination in your palm, of lighting up a house 300 yards away with something the size of a roll of quarters was fascinating. A tiny little flashlight could put out as much light as my big giant D-cell Maglite. I also learned all about batteries back then, so I won't be blowing my face up with my e-cig. You'll also find a lot of people on CPF who use flashlights extensively, cops, guards, military types, EMTs, campers, fishermen, sailormen and the guy who scrambles around in your attic...

huh, I bought a LED 2 D cell LED maglight last summer and quite frankly its only good for distance lighting. I can spot a squirrel at a half mile with this thing..... (on d cells). Bright as hell and its more than I needed.

Now I need to buy an incandescent AA flashlight for my camping needs because the mag is pretty spectacular. Cant imagine what you guys are poweing with 18650's.
 

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Incandescent? INCANDESCENT? WHAT THE ........... Why not use whale oil?

Seriously, Maglites only seem spectacular because you have no frame of reference. Today's LED Maglites are about the same as what people were cobbling together 12 years ago. I still have a couple little round "biscuit" looking circuit boards that fit into the head of a mini-maglite. They were the first LED Maglites. It is handmade and the LED was binned for whiteness. (They grade LEDs like diamonds or something). Anyway, it's still better than what Mag sells off the shelf, lo some 12 years later.

There are LED flashlights with wider beam patterns and narrower beam patters. Mag, being the sleaze company they are, concentrates their beam because, even though that is relatively useless, it's impressive and sells flashlights. In the old days, people used to use transparent spheres and special collimators and reflectors to achieve a narrow beam, because an LED is naturally quite wide. Newer LEDs are made in different ways with different designations and some have a naturally wider or narrow beam. So, it's easier to get a good long "throw", or to find one with a good wide beam for working under your hood. In reality, a wider beam is more useful, especially when you're camping or doing something useful besides harassing owls.

I have some top-shelf Surefire incandescents. The light is super-white. That's the best thing about them. They're built fantastic, which is why they're favorites among cops and firefighters. But a lot of cops get free batteries. They absolutely inhale batteries, and you can't use rechargeables in most of them either, so it gets pricey running them. I'm sure there are new models out there now, but any decent incandescent is going to be a power hog, I don't care what you do. Think Ultra LR atty burning continuously. Anyway, these days the only people who need incandescents are filmmakers and photographers, because normal quaity LEDs tend to the blue spectrum and messes up their lighting.

Check out Dealextreme. Look at some of the 14500 sized flashlights. Some of them will take either AAs or 14500 lithiums. I have a Rominsen that'll work with 1 14500 and has an extension tube to take 2 AAs. It's brighter with the 14500, but the AA rechargeables last longer in it. Actually, I have 2 of them, because I used one for a bike headlight. Read the reviews. Flashlights are the most heavily reviewed category on that site and it's absolutely infested with CPF members. The last flashlight I bought was a Sipik with a 3W Cree bulb and a "Zoom" function to adjust the beam from wide to long and narrow. It's about 4" long and think it cost about $15. It's all you need for camping. Zoom it wide, sit it bulb-up and illuminate your tent. Zoom it narrow and spot those marauding raccoon a half-mile away. One way or the other, there's no good reason in the world to buy a AA incandescent. You can easily find LEDs with usefully wide beam patterns. If you need wimpy, there are LEDs that take little RC123As that'll burn for a week with a better light than any AA incandescent.

Or, I have a 6xC-Cell Incandescent Maglite that I could sell you. It's about 2 feet long and weighs about 5 pounds. The light is only a little wimpier than the Sipik, but it makes a handy club to beat back those pesky raccoon or to stun that mahi-mahi floppin around on deck.
 
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Update: After looking at the data sheet and some further research, this battery will fit the Lavatube. It's <=65.2mm long.
It matches or exceed the AW in all respects that I can discern. FWIW, the battery gurus here, whose opinions I've found, agree that it should outperform the AW, if for no other reason than the >10% capacity advantage. A video was discussed that subjected both batteries to forced failure. The AW seemed to generate more heat, melting the heavy test cables. The Panasonic did not. I believe the Panny has a better internal physical design than the AW an is at least marginally safer.
I bought these a while back from Orbtronics also. Just to clarify, they are the button top black wrapped with Orbtronics logo, not grey with the flat top? How are you liking them in your LT after a month or so now? I plan on using these in mine when the replacement arrives for that freakish fried circuit board unit I told you about.
 

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Incandescent? INCANDESCENT? WHAT THE ........... So, it's easier to get a good long "throw", or to find one with a good wide beam for working under your hood. In reality, a wider beam is more useful, especially when you're camping or doing something useful besides harassing owls.

I wanted to quote the whole thing.... awesome post.

My original post maybe i was hitting on the maglight being too narrow and too bright for my general needs (basic camping n random stuff - though its still too bright even in candle mode.). And its kinda funny that you hit on photography. Thats my hobby and the mag appears to be useless for any photography purposes.

Ill check out the forums to see what kind of C battery sized light I should get.
 

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I ordered 4 of these with button top for use in my Provari. They are about a mm taller than the AW IMR 2000mAh, but they fit in the Provari just fine. Getting the end cap on is still easy and I don't think they are really straining the spring or anything like that. I am getting some slightly noticeable better battery life with these. Normally AW IMR 2000mAh's last me about 16-18 hours (most of the day and some of the next day). These are lasting me almost 19-21 hours. Part of it could be that these are newer batteries and my AWs have some cycles on them, but for the price point, so far so good.

They DO NOT fit in my Chrome Lavatube (new body style with smaller, metal end cap). I do have some of these without the button top on the way for use in it though.
 

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no, they don't sell 18350's (or I can't find them). Trying to find a place for both.

The flat top grey ones should fit the tube.
I ordered 4 of these with button top for use in my Provari. They are about a mm taller than the AW IMR 2000mAh, but they fit in the Provari just fine. Getting the end cap on is still easy and I don't think they are really straining the spring or anything like that. I am getting some slightly noticeable better battery life with these. Normally AW IMR 2000mAh's last me about 16-18 hours (most of the day and some of the next day). These are lasting me almost 19-21 hours. Part of it could be that these are newer batteries and my AWs have some cycles on them, but for the price point, so far so good.
They DO NOT fit in my Chrome Lavatube (new body style with smaller, metal end cap). I do have some of these without the button top on the way for use in it though.
 

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