Partriots not compatable with 808's?

[ShadowWulf]

Hey awesome delivery on my last order!

order ID is #61639

However Ive run into an issue. Initially I was happy that you also started selling 808 compatible parts however when I ordered two of the packs of 808 Compatible Patriot cartridges ive found that they are NOT working with my straight standard 808 batteries or passthrough. They screw in fine and will ignite, but they are WAY to tight, you absolutely could not suck or blow through one of these when screwed in properly.

I attempted to loosen them a little bit, but then you either get to the point where it does not have enough contact to power the carto anymore, or its so loose you just suck air. In short it doesn't work.

In short ill probably have to order the actual whole Patriot kit to use these, or start stacking adapters (which I would also have to order elsewhere as i do not have any 808 to 808 adapters.)

Im not complaining btw, the order was great but maybe the page should be amended to include this information. Honestly the cartos are the last thing that I have to go outside of MFS for, I prefer to keep all my ordering in one place since you are quite honestly the best and fastest vendor ive ever dealt with Dont worry about a refund, im perfectly satisfied ill just order the patriot kit later when im not so broke to make up for it, ill get use out of them yet

 

[Freedom]

Hey awesome delivery on my last order!

order ID is #61639

However Ive run into an issue. Initially I was happy that you also started selling 808 compatible parts however when I ordered two of the packs of 808 Compatible Patriot cartridges ive found that they are NOT working with my straight standard 808 batteries or passthrough. They screw in fine and will ignite, but they are WAY to tight, you absolutely could not suck or blow through one of these when screwed in properly.

I attempted to loosen them a little bit, but then you either get to the point where it does not have enough contact to power the carto anymore, or its so loose you just suck air. In short it doesn't work.

In short ill probably have to order the actual whole Patriot kit to use these, or start stacking adapters (which I would also have to order elsewhere as i do not have any 808 to 808 adapters.)

Im not complaining btw, the order was great but maybe the page should be amended to include this information. Honestly the cartos are the last thing that I have to go outside of MFS for, I prefer to keep all my ordering in one place since you are quite honestly the best and fastest vendor ive ever dealt with Dont worry about a refund, im perfectly satisfied ill just order the patriot kit later when im not so broke to make up for it, ill get use out of them yet

Shadow, I'm trying to get to the bottom of this Cartomizer. I'm being told by the manufacturer that these cartos fit the KR-808D model. Is that the model you're having trouble with?

 

[ShadowWulf]

Shadow, I'm trying to get to the bottom of this Cartomizer. I'm being told by the manufacturer that these cartos fit the KR-808D model. Is that the model you're having trouble with?

Yes sir, i can even send pictures of what im talking about if needed.

This applies on manual extended, Automatic standard size, and a 5v USB manual passthrough, all straight standard KR-808. I have never had issues in the past with ANY cartos on this equipment and ive ordered my cartos in the past through probably 5 different vendors depending on what was needed. I was happy to see you had cartos finally so like I said I could keep all my ordering in one place.

I ran a forum search earlier and there is a few other threads out there with the same issue apparently with Patriot cartos. It appears the only workable solutions tend to be loosening the cartos to the point of not being usable, getting a Patriot kit to use the things with in the first place, or using an 808 to 808 adapter to get the needed airflow. Unfortunately I have neither 808-808 adapters not a patriot kit to test this with myself.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...riot-cartomizer-s-has-anyone-ordered-yet.html
Damnit theres a post in THIS section I wish I had seen earlier, this guy states the same thing (Post #6) where he had to use adapters to get a draw on them also.

I have pics uploading in a sec, i Think ive found the issue, the 2 types of carto are NOT the same design for sure.

 

[ShadowWulf]

Ok so I skinned one of the Patriot cartos to get a closer look and rule out the wrapper.

Forgive the cell phone pic (And hairs...yea...freshly skinned and still a bit glue covered heh)

On the left is a standard 808 carto.
The right is a Patriot.

The patriot is slightly taller, but the critical part is the small notches around the edge, that allow airflow. The patriot on the right has only 2 notches, where as the standard 808 has 4. There is ALSO a groove in the dead center of the standard 808 carto, and none on the patriot. That may also contribute (and effectively create an air tight seal and no draw when screwed on.)
One more fast edit: Think of it like this, a standard 808 has the center notch on the CARTO, and a smooth face on the battery face that connects to that. A patriot has a SMOOTH face on the carto, and the notch on the Battery end im willing to bet. So putting a Patriot carto on a straight 808 battery effectively is smooth to smooth then, no airflow is possible. However i would be willing to almost guarantee a Patriot battery to a standard 808 carto would work FINE as the notch to notch in that case would provide a bit MORE airflow, and even possibly a better hit!

Also to be perfectly clear they DO FIT a standard 808, no issues screwing them in....they just do not DRAW so in effect your supplier was truthful...

Bummer, because I even did priority shipping on this order. Its not your fault though, and I dont want a refund as I intend to get some use out of them yet still one way or another, its just the way the e-cig cookie crumbles.

 

[STiCaveman]

The patriot is slightly taller, but the critical part is the small notches around the edge, that allow airflow. The patriot on the right has only 2 notches, where as the standard 808 has 4. There is ALSO a groove in the dead center of the standard 808 carto, and none on the patriot. That may also contribute (and effectively create an air tight seal and no draw when screwed on.)

The problem is the lack of a slot in the contact point. fwiw, I also can't get them to vape on a MANUAL battery, PT, etc, but have no problems with AUTOmatic hardware. I have also deepened the "skirt" air channels as well as created a second set (4 slots) to no avail.

This is the only 808/901 carto I have ever seen that doesn't have a grooved center contact ring.

I cannot get these cartos to work (draw) on anything but 808 automatic batteries. Any 808 manual, or 510 with an adapter**, has absolutely NO draw. (Unless you can suck a golfball through a garden hose... )

I was actually about to update the Patriot Cartomizer thread (no longer a sticky), but may as well add it here.

I am STILL trying to (literally) kill the original 2 cartos. While I haven't dissected one yet, there is absolutely NO discoloration or "smell" to indicate the filler has burned any. The carto filler with the clear menthol is still snow white and just as absorbent as the first time I refilled it.

I have unfortunately lost track of how many times/mL I have refilled the 2 Patriot cartos, and while I still prefer a 3-piece PV, these cartos are by far the best (510 or 808) I have ever played with.

+1 for the hope that blanks will eventually be available, and that the munufacturer fixes the connector.

-Charles

 

[ShadowWulf]

So, anybody have an idea of how to get some use out of these cartos in the meantime? Maybe dremel them or something, but I dont know how safe that would be.

Wife is going nuts right now All my battery's are manual as well, except for one decrepit year old auto that holds a charge for about 10 minutes, so I would like to find a method to utilize these presently without spending more money for the next 2 weeks if at all possible.

 

[ShadowWulf]

I noticed you changed the product description to works with auto batteries only for the Patriots, awesome.

Any chance youll be carrying batteries (Auto or manual, just Patriot branded for compatibility) for the patriots in the future, rather than ordering a whole kit? I would happily buy up 2 right now, but i dont need the kit and its associated costs.

 

[Freedom]

I noticed you changed the product description to works with auto batteries only for the Patriots, awesome.

Any chance youll be carrying batteries (Auto or manual, just Patriot branded for compatibility) for the patriots in the future, rather than ordering a whole kit? I would happily buy up 2 right now, but i dont need the kit and its associated costs.

I'll break up a kit for parts for you. I'll get them up on the site by the end of the weekend.

 

[Turbo]

So, anybody have an idea of how to get some use out of these cartos in the meantime?

You could try the staple mod, that should solve the contact issue.

 

[STiCaveman]

You could try the staple mod, that should solve the contact issue.

EDIT: Just to clarify- The "contact issue" is too much contact area which cuts off the air. The staple would be creating a gap, which may work as well, as long as the carto can still be screwed on.

At first I was


Then, after trying to work with 4-5mm pieces of wire for a while, I was and .


I've got pretty darn good dexterity, and I was working with pieces of stripped twist-tie. Let's just say that it would be more trouble than it's worth, especially if you plan to separate the batt/carto at any point. The manual batts that have an indentation (not exactly a "hole") are about 2-3mm deep, and the "wings" can only be 2-3m long. Once inserted, the wire will not stay in place unless a carto is attached.

With flexible twist-tie wire, the draw went from golf ball through garden hose, to ping pong ball through same hose...

*goes to find 3 tiny pieces of folded wire in the carpet...*

 

[ShadowWulf]

At first I was


Then, after trying to work with 4-5mm pieces of wire for a while, I was and .

Yep, me also, not to mention it will fall out every time you pop off the carto.

Freedom, let me know when/where on the site you post thoase batts id rather just go that route and be done with it Thanks, you rock as always.

 

[par292]

I am looking at maybe trying the patriot pcc kit, does anyone know what battery the patriot is? also this is a 2 piece model right, no atty just uses cartomizers???

 

[STiCaveman]

I am looking at maybe trying the patriot pcc kit, does anyone know what battery the patriot is? also this is a 2 piece model right, no atty just uses cartomizers???

Patriot PCC E-Cigarette Starter Kit (Compatible with KR-808D Automatic Batteries)

2-piece, as described in the;
Patriot E-Cigarette Starter Kit (Compatable with KR-808 Automatic Batteries)

Description

Tired of replacing burnt out expensive atomizers? Then the Patriot is for you! This 2 piece mini e-cigarette uses the latest in e-cigarette technology by combining the cartridge and atomizer into a disposable "cartomizer". That's right! A new atomizer with every cartridge.​

Specifications:
· Packing Meas.: 105 × 100 × 55 mm
· G.W.: 189 g
· E-cig weight : 16g
· E-cig size: 9.2 (D)×104 (L) mm
· Charging voltage: AC100~240V, DC5V
· Content of battery: Lithium, 3.7 V-190 mAh
· Charge time: 2 hours
· Puffs per full battery: 280~320 puffs
· Puffs per cartridge: 140~160 puffs​

Starter kit includes:
2 × Rechargeable Lithium Batteries
5 × Pre-Filled Cartomizers
1 × USB Charger
1 × AC Adapter
1 × User Manual (English)​

R.I.F.- it's a wonderful thing

 

[ShadowWulf]

Any word on the batts? I get paid Thursday so I guess it not a huge deal

 

[Freedom]

Any word on the batts? I get paid Thursday so I guess it not a huge deal

I'll get them up today or tonight...

 

[ShadowWulf]

I'll get them up today or tonight...

Ah well, ill make do.

 

[STiCaveman]

Shadow- fwiw, I've been using an 808 auto PT, and an Indulgence PT w/808 connector for these cartos. I would hope that any decent big batt mod with an 808 adapter, should vape these easily, but haven't played with any others.

I gotta say, at the 4.7 - 5.1v range, these cartos really shine!!!






p.s.- Did I mention NO BURNING yet, even after a few weeks?

 

[ShadowWulf]

Ah well ive given up on getting this sorted, and my one auto battery is smoke now since ive switched to all manuals so ill just sort it elsewhere, but I did find this for peoples future reference:

Atomizer Compatibility List - E-Cigarette Wiki

The Patriot is not a KR808d-1 its a new type on its own, a E9 (KR808D-2).
The other models that are similar are:
V9
Greensmoke
Red Dragon
KR808D-2
LoongTotem
Smoke51
Vapure
ePuffer EAZE Magnum original
And now the Patriot. The fact it works with an KR808D-1auto battery is by happenstance and not actual design.

Hope that helps people out in the future.