Patriot RDA Assistance

[atroph]

I recently picked up a patriot clone from a local B&M for about $15. I have been trying to get this thing to vape half way decent with no luck.

I have tried:
Single 30ga. coil at 1.6 ohms loose and tight with OC and rayon wicks. I am using an iTaste vv and usually start low at 6W and gradually go upwards to about 8W. I covered the hole on the non-coil side and it seemed to vape ok but I seem to be tasting wick all of the time unless I draw very slowly.

Dual 32 ga coils at 1.3 ohms combined at 7W I can get a decent vape if I work at it. Again a mediocre vape and still get a little wick taste if I don't draw slowly.

My coils are rolled around a precision screwdriver #0 phillips is what the pack says. Caliper says 2.37 mm or 0.093 in. Is that too large? For now it seems like 6 wraps loose but even around this mandrel seems to be doing ok. Do I need to do smaller coils and possible longer by using 30 ga? Is touching coils a necessity for a decent vape?

The wicks for each coil are about the length of the bottom of the unit with the tail closest to the wall tucked under the coil, and the other end just hanging out in the bottom.

I was wondering do I need more airflow by drilling the air holes out? Do I need more power? Do I need both?

Sorry if this sounds dumb but are RDA's a lung hit only device? I am used to the way I smoked with mouth draws followed by an inhale. My EVOD and T3s clearos do this task just fine. The RDA seems too airy for mouth draws and it appears that lung hits are the only way however I noticed that if I draw for too long I get wick taste... again.

I like to keep the well fairly moist but seem to get the bast vape when the wicking starts to turn white. How much liquid needs to be in the bottom? Is is possible to have too much? Do I need to raise the coils further off the well and have them almost suspended in air? Currently the bottom part of the coils are even with the lip of the well.

Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks!

 

[G-weezy]

I would check here and see what you can try and get ideas from.
Coil Builds

especially on the post your coil.

I had a hard time with the Patriot the first time. Drilled out the air holes and made sure I had enough cotton. Juice doesn't need to be in the well but your wick saturated.

 

[Joka]

Try 28, or 26g wire. Here is one of my patriot builds. Plus opening up the stock air flow a little is needed. (This is 24g)

 

[atroph]

Thanks for the tips and ideas. After posting this I went to the coil thread and got a few ideas.

I built a dual coil setup with 30 ga (thickest I have) 11 wraps around a small drill bit 0.77 in/1.96mm. I got a net build of 1.3 ohms which should be safe for my vv/vw mod. I did a vertical setup and made sure that the coils were exactly 180 degrees apart. I then put the cap on and aligned the holes directly over the coils (like the photo above). I started at a low 6W to make sure things were correct and then bumped it up to 11W (or whatever the device maxes out at). This time I got a few harsh hits at the very beginning but that leveled off and now is much smoother. I think I really need a mod that provides a lot more power than my iTaste vv. I think I am finally getting the hand of this thing. This is my first RDA and I was starting to get a little disappointed, but then I remember it took me a little while to get my clearos ironed out as well. It is a shame that my EVODs can out vape this RDA, but once I get something with a little more power I think the tables will turn.

To me the vapor and flavor increases when the liquid level gets a little lower and starts to taste a little like linen (using rayon). I then add 4-5 drips under the tip and I am off and running again.


Thanks for the help!

 

[doots]

Thanks for the tips and ideas. After posting this I went to the coil thread and got a few ideas.

I built a dual coil setup with 30 ga (thickest I have) 11 wraps around a small drill bit 0.77 in/1.96mm. I got a net build of 1.3 ohms which should be safe for my vv/vw mod. I did a vertical setup and made sure that the coils were exactly 180 degrees apart. I then put the cap on and aligned the holes directly over the coils (like the photo above). I started at a low 6W to make sure things were correct and then bumped it up to 11W (or whatever the device maxes out at). This time I got a few harsh hits at the very beginning but that leveled off and now is much smoother. I think I really need a mod that provides a lot more power than my iTaste vv. I think I am finally getting the hand of this thing. This is my first RDA and I was starting to get a little disappointed, but then I remember it took me a little while to get my clearos ironed out as well. It is a shame that my EVODs can out vape this RDA, but once I get something with a little more power I think the tables will turn.

To me the vapor and flavor increases when the liquid level gets a little lower and starts to taste a little like linen (using rayon). I then add 4-5 drips under the tip and I am off and running again.


Thanks for the help!

Your coils are probably ok and you will get better at making them the more you do it, but you need a mech mod so you can build at 0.5- 1.0 ohm coils.. Then you will see all the difference in the world.. Also pick up some 24-28 gauge wire.. The word will change when you do.. The Itaste isnt going to satisfy you with 11 watt max.. Get an 18650 mech mod and some sony VTC4 or 5's..

 

[atroph]

Thanks for the support! I have since rebuilt it a couple more times. I did another 1.2-ish build and wrapped 30 ga around a 20ga needle. I guess they are called nano coils or something like that. Anyways this setup is doing fine. I just placed a couple "pillows" of rayon underneath the coils and it vapes fairly well for my setup.

I totally agree with the need for more power however I don't see getting a mech just yet. I think I will get the SX350 chip and roll my own box mod. The 50W potential of the SX350 seems really nice and I don't think I'll need more than that... Yet. There is something about a mech that I don't really care for and with a custom box I can use it for more than just a RDA. I'll stop by my local B&M and see if they will spare a foot or two of wire so I can toy with it before I dive in for a hundred feet.

I did discover one important thing is that my 12mg nic liquid is just too much for me. Too much nic hit and a little harsh IMO. All of my liquid orders have been 6 mg and that seems to keep my happy in my clearos and the dripper as well.

Thanks again!!

 

[coalyard]

Try 28, or 26g wire. Here is one of my patriot builds. Plus opening up the stock air flow a little is needed. (This is 24g)

...Or just replace the top of the Patriot with one from an Omega. Airflow problem solved!