Paypal going after e-cig companies we got this today

[RexFollett]

PAYPAL is shutting down e-cig companies

--- On Sat, 10/30/10, service@paypal.com <service@paypal.com> wrote:

From: service@paypal.com <service@paypal.com>
Subject: Your account has been limited until we hear from you
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Date: Saturday, October 30, 2010, 5:50 AM

Dear ########,

We appreciate the fact that you chose PayPal to send and receive payments
for your transactions.

However, your account has been limited for violating PayPal's Acceptable
Use Policy. Under the Acceptable Use Policy, you may not use PayPal for
the sale of certain products that present a risk to consumer safety. To
identify products that jeopardize consumer safety, PayPal reviews laws,
regulations and other government actions, other available evidence, and
marketing content related to the product. The sale of e-cigarettes from
your jurisdiction is covered by this policy.

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[RexFollett]

We need help everyone we cannot just lay down and let them walk over us.

 

[hiram13pm]

Screw 'em. Paypal is not the only game in town.

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Personally, I'm going to email any site I order from and inform them in no uncertain terms that unless they at least offer an alternative to paypal, I'll be taking my business (i.e., my money) elsewhere.

 

[HzG8rGrl]

This really is not new news. We have all known about Paypal's stance for some time.
It is their policy and we have no control of how they want to run their company. They are not concerned about the loss of business due to that specific policy.
They have asked us as consumers and business people to "Move On Along", and most have moved on and found new ways of money transfer.
Sorry for your inconvenience, though Paypal could care less.

 

[Fopa]

I just sent my complaint to PayPal.

 

[doots]

This has been PayPal's policy for almost 1 year now. This is why you dont see ecigs being sold by merchants unless they are located in another country such as China where US law does not prevail. Yes, Paypal sucks but it is their company..

You will need to get a merchant account and not all of them allow ecigs either.

Best to check with several suppliers to see who they use would be the wise thing to do.

Alertpay and Google both do not allow ecig sales.

So best bet is your own merchant account if you want to stay in busiess.

 

[DaMulta]

Yep, and they will ban you forever if someone comments if you sell e-liquid/e-cig materals with a personal account. No forgiveness....

Also this is just in the US, and if you are outside of the US you can use paypal all you want. So if you have your company bank account based in the UK...Then you can charge your US base companies with paypal.... A little un-fair, but it's legal to do under their guidelines.

 

[Sdh]

This is why I don't use paypal. I cannot trust the product actually processing or arriving. A few vendors on this forum state pay by paypal. I would love to. However, I refuse due to the potential hassle. I would really order from them. I have asked if they would accept CC's. Hell I would even mail them a money order to try out the liquid.

 

[FreakyStylie]

This is why I don't use paypal. I cannot trust the product actually processing or arriving. A few vendors on this forum state pay by paypal. I would love to. However, I refuse due to the potential hassle. I would really order from them. I have asked if they would accept CC's. Hell I would even mail them a money order to try out the liquid.

I'm with you there. I actually hate the whole internet sales, instant gratification, banks making a percentage off each sale, fad that exists right now. I would prefer catalog (type) sales. Fill out the form, print form and send along with check or money order, receive product. It seems more personal to me. Of course, I grew up in that generation, so it is more familiar to me.

Also, "And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark . . . ."

 

[iJax]

Anyone know if GPal got their act together yet?

 

[karmatized]

alertpay allows ecigs but can be a troublesome at times.
There are other options that many dont mention.
Amazon payments has good rates, CCnow works.

Also i know there was another one someone told me about a while ago that lots of people used to buy guns online. dont remember but if anyone does add it

 

[atavanhalen]

alertpay allows ecigs but can be a troublesome at times.
There are other options that many dont mention.
Amazon payments has good rates, CCnow works.

Also i know there was another one someone told me about a while ago that lots of people used to buy guns online. dont remember but if anyone does add it

So does this mean that amazon will not ban you for selling e cigs or liquid? I would like to know the name of the payment website that allows gun sales because I can not imagine them giving e cig users a hard time. Anybody?

 

[moseng]

I may be missing something but isn't Ebay and Paypal in bed together? How are all these people going to get their money? Some are even including juice with a starter kit... and PayPal as a payment?

e-cigarette items - Get great deals on Collectibles, Electronics items on eBay.com!

 

[atavanhalen]

I may be missing something but isn't Ebay and Paypal in bed together? How are all these people going to get their money? Some are even including juice with a starter kit... and PayPal as a payment?

e-cigarette items - Get great deals on Collectibles, Electronics items on eBay.com!

I am sure that these will get taken down as soon as ebay sees them. Under prohibited items it even says smokeless cigarettes.

 

[TWalker]

I'm pretty sure we cannot use Amazon anymore right? If so wouldn't everyone be doing it? I may be wrong but I did search and didn't find anything except The Chucks builder Jeff used to use them.

Is Amazon out?

alertpay allows ecigs but can be a troublesome at times.
There are other options that many dont mention.
Amazon payments has good rates, CCnow works.

Also i know there was another one someone told me about a while ago that lots of people used to buy guns online. dont remember but if anyone does add it

 

[cjhmdm]

Have I missed something, or is this only in regards to paypal in the US? Reason I ask is, I live in the Philippines and over the past month, I've ordered about $600 worth of ecig products online, and all were paid for via paypal... 2 orders from totally wicked, 3 from healthcabin, and a few from a local buy and sell type site.

 

[rothenbj]

Yes, it's a US issue.

 

[doots]

There is nothing that anyone can do to make PP accept payments for Ecig related items. This is their stance for some time now.
Of course if your company is not US based you won't have a problem using PP...

We need help everyone we cannot just lay down and let them walk over us.

 

[jj2]

Some vendors still use PayPal but, after being approved by the vendor, you send it as a "gift."

Another payment option is using prepaid card.

 

[uba egar320]

Some vendors still use PayPal but, after being approved by the vendor, you send it as a "gift."

Another payment option is using prepaid card.

But if you use the gift option, won't that screw you out of being able to get your money back if there is a problem?