Pennsylvania Tax?

[Ralph_K]

This is news to me. Can you list the states that charge this outrageous amount?

Ah its a proposed tax Alaska want 100% AND New York wants 95%
A Guide to Vaping Taxes - Discouraging Quitting; Making Money

 

[the wind]

Many states have tried to pass a 100% vape tax but (to my knowledge) all failed. Minnesota has the highest statewide vape tax, Chicago the highest city (local) tax. Here's a map that's now a year old so it doesn't include new taxes passed this year, nor does it reflect restrictions like the face-to-face purchase requirements in Arkansas and Utah;

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Alaska is one of them. I know there is a few more but can't remember which ones

you must have missed that very informative post above.

 

[Beamslider]

California. 65.08% wholesale price. They charge it on vendors. So you do pay just not obvious....Sneaky no?
https://www.boe.ca.gov/industry/cigarettes_tobacco_products.html



New Information – Beginning April 1, 2017, Proposition 56, The California Healthcare, Research and Prevention tobacco Tax Act of 2016, provides these changes:

• The cigarette tax rate increased from $0.87 to $2.87 per pack of 20 cigarettes. Please note, starting July 1, 2017, the tobacco products tax rate increased to 65.08 percent of wholesale cost. For details, see our tax rate page.
• Retailers and wholesalers were required to take an inventory of all stamped cigarette packages, and distributors were required to take an inventory of all affixed and unaffixed California cigarette tax stamps in their possession/control at 12:01 a.m. on April 1, 2017, for determining the additional cigarette tax. See the March 2017 special notices to retailers/wholesalers and distributorsfor additional details.
• The retailer and wholesaler cigarette floor stock tax returns and the distributor cigarette stamp adjustment tax return and payment were due July 1, 2017. Tobacco products, including little cigars, are not subject to the cigarette floor stock/stamp adjustment tax and should not be reported on these tax returns.
• Tobacco products subject to the tobacco products tax include:
  
  • Any tobacco or nicotine products
  • Vapor products sold with nicotine
  • Little cigars

 

[the wind]

you didn't have to edit your post,but I did

 

[Ralph_K]

Many states have tried to pass a 100% vape tax but (to my knowledge) all failed. Minnesota has the highest statewide vape tax, Chicago the highest city (local) tax. Here's a map that's now a year old so it doesn't include new taxes passed this year, nor does it reflect restrictions like the face-to-face purchase requirements in Arkansas and Utah;

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You know state exise taxes are unconstitutional without congressional approval

 

[the wind]

had to do it again,sorry ecf.

 

[Ralph_K]

you didn't have to edit you post.

I had to because I was wrong and it was just propose tax

 

[the wind]

I had to because I was wrong and it was just propose tax

no your were not wrong,just pointing out a post you missed.no big deal

 

[mattiem]

Ah its a proposed tax Alaska want 100% AND New York wants 95%
A Guide to Vaping Taxes - Discouraging Quitting; Making Money

Right...proposed and wants is one thing, getting it passed is another. Fortunately most of them have been stopped.

 

[Bunnykiller]

For all the damage it does, alcohol should get the most tax.

nawww... taxes should be even across the board... all the same rate ( 5%). and the government needs to cut back on spending and giving away money to other countries that use the money incorrectly.

 

[sofarsogood]

If you mix even a 100% tax is trivial. A 1 liter bottle of 100 mg nic lasts me 4 years. Whether it costs $50 or $100 is financially irrelevant. A decent mod or atomizer should last for years so a 100% tax on those doesn't mean much either. It could be worse. In Singapore the mere posession of any vape products is a crime even for personal use. That's a place you never want to go.

 

[stols001]

PA's a weird state. They do most all of the "hard" alcohol sales via state distribution centers, and are all closed on Sundays. I know this well, this is where I went to college... We'd quite often do "border runs" but you actually had to be careful as the police kept an eye out for happy college students returning with liquor, LOL.

They're also a Commonwealth IIRC.... For example (at least back then) they don't report DUIs and stuff to other states.... This actually saved the husband some serious jail time when he got sober after a DUI SO EGREGOUS even if it was his "first" I'm still shocked he didn't do 5--10 years, but he wound up with an INCREDIBLE amount of fines and the only way he could get to work was by paying to ride the "disability" bus which he will often tell entertaining stories about. PA is a nice place, but they really are starting to rival NY in taxation, we considered moving back there, but honestly part of the reason we didn't is what it is turning into.... It is not an inexpensive place to be at the moment.

Anna

 

[zoiDman]

This is why I am Not a fan of Closing some threads due to Inactivity.

Updated!! Pennsylvania: 40% tax = game over for vape

Smokefree PA urges PA Senate Finance Cmte to change 40% vapor tax to $.05/ml tax

 

[440BB]

I'm not sure how this relates but Azure Vaping in York, PA, which closed over a year ago because of the new tax has just reopened! They seem to have split their DIY business from their premade liquid business this time around. Perhaps the environment in Pennsylvania has changed in some way, making having a vaping business feasible again.

Very glad to see the makers of Hypermint, our all day vape, back in the game!

 

[mattiem]

If you mix even a 100% tax is trivial. A 1 liter bottle of 100 mg nic lasts me 4 years. Whether it costs $50 or $100 is financially irrelevant. A decent mod or atomizer should last for years so a 100% tax on those doesn't mean much either. It could be worse. In Singapore the mere posession of any vape products is a crime even for personal use. That's a place you never want to go.

I refuse to back down and just blindly accept something just because it could be worse.

 

[stols001]

Yes, I consider myself Very Lucky that I found vaping and ECF when I did, but I do consider the folks who a) can't build (sometimes I am one of them) b) find DIY hard and prefer to buy regular e-liquid and c) may not have even have found vaping yet and are driven away by high taxation or difficulty of use/access.

I feel fairly safe, ATM. I'm still probably going to buy more nic (I should really calculate out what I have though) and flavors, but even things like batteries just don't last forever, and I doubt there will end up being "black market" batteries but I have no doubt that things are going to get more expensive. I'm fairly certain, and we should do what we can for future vapers everywhere....

Anna

 

[mattiem]

Yes, I consider myself Very Lucky that I found vaping and ECF when I did, but I do consider the folks who a) can't build (sometimes I am one of them) b) find DIY hard and prefer to buy regular e-liquid and c) may not have even have found vaping yet and are driven away by high taxation or difficulty of use/access.

I feel fairly safe, ATM. I'm still probably going to buy more nic (I should really calculate out what I have though) and flavors, but even things like batteries just don't last forever, and I doubt there will end up being "black market" batteries but I have no doubt that things are going to get more expensive. I'm fairly certain, and we should do what we can for future vapers everywhere....

Anna

I feel fairly confident that flavorings, vg/pg and batteries are safe from a vape tax as long as these items can be bought from other than a vape shop.

For me that means vg/pg from essential depot, batteries from RTD electronics and flavoring directly from The Perfumers Apprentice. I don't see how PA 40% tax or any other outrageous tax could be collected from these sellers.

The main thing one needs to concentrate on is nic and bunches of it

 

[ScottP]

...b) find DIY hard...

I always LOL at that one. If you can find a food/dessert recipe online and follow it to make some new dish or dessert then you can DIY. It is literally the same thing: get a recipe, measure, and combine ingredients. The only difference is you don't have to cook your juice after mixing so there is no risk of burning it before you use it. So in that respect DIY juice is easier than cooking.

The rest of the points are totally valid though. Building can be hard for some, especially those with some sort of disability (arthritis, vision, Parkinson's, etc.). Cost can be problematic too especially in high tax areas, but I think that is their plan.

 

[mattiem]

I always LOL at that one. If you can find a food/dessert recipe online and follow it to make some new dish or dessert then you can DIY. It is literally the same thing: get a recipe, measure, and combine ingredients. The only difference is you don't have to cook your juice after mixing so there is no risk of burning it before you use it. So in that respect DIY juice is easier than cooking.

The rest of the points are totally valid though. Building can be hard for some, especially those with some sort of disability (arthritis, vision, Parkinson's, etc.). Cost can be problematic too especially in high tax areas, but I think that is their plan.

I do agree with most of this but it seem to me like in this fast paced world we find ourselves living in there are those that actually can't cook.

 

[sofarsogood]

I refuse to back down and just blindly accept something just because it could be worse.

I don't mean to say that you should do that. I'm just saying that the tax has an insignificant effect on individual vapers. It does have a very bad effect on vape shops and smokers who might vape in the future.