People are throwing Juuls out windows to quit

[dennism]

Last I checked you can get juul pods in 3% or 5%.

 

[RedForeman]

Actual mg/mL Nicotine Content of JUUL Pods : juul

When measured as 5% by weight, the heavier VG and PG components make the volume of nicotine more than 50mg/mL to reach that 5%. For juul liquid, the real nicotine portion is somewhere between 55 and 60 mg/mL.​

That's harsh, unless the atomizer is so crappy you'd have to run it non-stop to get the volume produced by better atomizers. I had to go to 36mg juice on an old eGo type A to quit for good, and I'd have to put that down often to keep from getting sick from it. I buy 26mg now in a RTA and it hits the spot.

 

[Dr. Seuss]

Juul CEO on Trump's proposed ban: 'Flavors today are problematic'

Juul CEO Kevin Burns, during a visit to The Chronicle’s editorial board on Wednesday, said the company supports a federal “reset” of flavor restrictions and would comply with any guidelines the Food and Drug Administration issues on the matter.

“Flavors today are problematic,” said Burns, adding that many popular fruit- and candy-flavored nicotine products are made by other companies​

I wouldn't be surprised if Juul was the mastermind and whispered the idea in Trump's ear, convincing him that he will look heroic. Juul gets to kill all the competition in one swoop. Will they be the last man standing or the first to go down? Big gamble.

They bring to a conscious reality an example of the perfect lap dog “ideal” so it’s present in people’s minds who don’t necessarily think about these things. It’s the perfect “how they should act” to plaster all over your evening news.

Kevin Burns is a sell out.

 

[puffon]

Had a 17 year old kid doing some yard work last Saturday, he noticed I was Vaping. He asked what was my nic level. I told him 1%, and he told me that He and other kids vape 50mg Juul's. I said that would make your head spin-off, he replied thats the buzz they're after. I don't know if this is typical as I,m 64 and not around many High School aged kids. Does Juul come in that high of Nic dose, or are they modifying it.

That's the same response I get from kids.
They are vaping for the nic buzz, doesn't matter what the flavor is.
Yet some news reports are saying kids don't know there is nicotine in them, they vape for the flavors...

 

[Big Orange]

That's the same response I get from kids.
They are vaping for the nic buzz, doesn't matter what the flavor is.
Yet some news reports are saying kids don't know there is nicotine in them, they vape for the flavors...

True. Some are doing it for a buzz, some to look cool, and some are doing it for social acceptance reasons. I seriously doubt very many are using a Juul because it’s so delicious. It’s not. Even the “good” flavors are kind of gross.

 

[AttyPops]

These kids go to school with bullet proof backpacks, face typical school stresses, and then internet bullies when they get home, in an economy where they'll be worse off than their parents. Nic is an anti-anxiety drug. Flavors shmavors.

Just say'n.

 

[stols001]

I don't say this often, and I haven't had the chance to yet but man I hate people. ALL of them, the lemmings the violators, the criminals, the kingpins.

I hate the smart people that exploit them lemmings, and I hate the lemmings.... For being lemmings.

Perhaps I should keep my eye out at busy intersections for discarded Juuls. I'm sure they will be worth something someday.

Oh wait, I live on the edge of the world there is no busy intersections.

Anna

 

[iVapeDIY]

Juul says it will keep running 'Make the Switch' ad campaign despite FDA concerns

But despite a letter the Food and Drug Administration sent Juul CEO Kevin Burns expressing that unease, the company doesn't seem too worried.

Juul, which announced its "Make the Switch" campaign in January, told CNBC through a spokesman that it plans to continue running the spots for now and already bought ads for the next month or so as it reviews the FDA's letter.​

Essentially asking the FDA to 'bring it on'. Just the kind of defiant attitude the vaping community needs right now.

 

[sailorman]

Does anyone seriously think Trump doesn't know the consequences of banning vaping? .....

I do. It's not like he's a studious or intellectually curious person. He'll tell you he knows more about vaping and the economics of vaping than anyone, but what he really knows is whatever Melania is telling him and what he sees on Fox News. If he did know, he probably wouldn't care anyway for the reasons you stated and the rest of your post is correct.
Regardless, if he's making decisions like this based on trusting his "best people" because he's too intellectually lazy to do a half hour briefing or to read something, he's doing it wrong anyway and I don't feel sorry for him either.

 

[sailorman]

Had a 17 year old kid doing some yard work last Saturday, he noticed I was Vaping. He asked what was my nic level. I told him 1%, and he told me that He and other kids vape 50mg Juul's. I said that would make your head spin-off, he replied thats the buzz they're after. I don't know if this is typical as I,m 64 and not around many High School aged kids. Does Juul come in that high of Nic dose, or are they modifying it.

Given the fairly small volume of vapor a Juul produces, 50mg isn't as potent as it sounds. I quit smoking 10 years ago on 24mg and could have gone much higher if salts had been around then. Now I normally do 3-6mg but with 10X the vapor and juice consumption of the old 24mg cigalikes. At work, i do 48mg nic salts in a pod device cuz I'm still a couple years short of retirement and need the stealth. But it doesn't give me the spins like it would if I vaped in in a RDA.

 

[Georgia Boy]

He thinks he know's, he will make this ban happen. Whether it gets postponed because of legal challenges is debatable. The Republicans want it the Democrats want it, so where these days, are you going to find a Non Political Judge?

 

[sailorman]

That's harsh, unless the atomizer is so crappy you'd have to run it non-stop to get the volume produced by better atomizers. I had to go to 36mg juice on an old eGo type A to quit for good, and I'd have to put that down often to keep from getting sick from it. I buy 26mg now in a RTA and it hits the spot.

With nic salts, 50mg isn't harsh at all. You're thinking regular e-juice where 50mg would knock out a horse. I don't know how you're doing 36 in a RTA. Before I knew what i was doing, I put my 24mg in a DTL RTA for the first time and almost fell out. If you're doing 36, you're a better man than I. But with salts, I can do 50 easy.

 

[englishmick]

Juul says it will keep running 'Make the Switch' ad campaign despite FDA concerns

But despite a letter the Food and Drug Administration sent Juul CEO Kevin Burns expressing that unease, the company doesn't seem too worried.

Juul, which announced its "Make the Switch" campaign in January, told CNBC through a spokesman that it plans to continue running the spots for now and already bought ads for the next month or so as it reviews the FDA's letter.​

Essentially asking the FDA to 'bring it on'. Just the kind of defiant attitude the vaping community needs right now.

You know how when a celebrity or company gets in trouble they hire Crisis Consultants to steer them through. They tell them to "get ahead" of the problem. Confess everything immediately, even the stuff that hasn't come out yet. Be outspoken is condemning whatever it is you are accused of.

It seemed like Juul's CEO had decided to go that way. Leading the charge and praising the FDA for clamping down, getting rid of their own flavors, blasting the rest of the vape industry for not capitulating themselves, etc.

They don't seem to be following the program with these ads though. Maybe BT has already made a deal with the politicians to guarantee Juul's survival or whatever.

 

[AttyPops]

They don't seem to be following the program with these ads though. Maybe BT has already made a deal with the politicians to guarantee Juul's survival or whatever.

 

[CMD-Ky]

I do. It's not like he's a studious or intellectually curious person. He'll tell you he knows more about vaping and the economics of vaping than anyone, but what he really knows is whatever Melania is telling him and what he sees on Fox News. If he did know, he probably wouldn't care anyway for the reasons you stated and the rest of your post is correct.
Regardless, if he's making decisions like this based on trusting his "best people" because he's too intellectually lazy to do a half hour briefing or to read something, he's doing it wrong anyway and I don't feel sorry for him either.

I think he relied upon the intellectual prowess of that luminary, Dick Durbin. Who could go wrong following him?

 

[RedForeman]

With nic salts, 50mg isn't harsh at all. You're thinking regular e-juice where 50mg would knock out a horse. I don't know how you're doing 36 in a RTA. Before I knew what i was doing, I put my 24mg in a DTL RTA for the first time and almost fell out. If you're doing 36, you're a better man than I. But with salts, I can do 50 easy.

You misread. 36 was in an eGo with a Type A (cigar-size) atomizer/cart. When I got an RTA I had to back off immediately. Soon after, I switched suppliers and 26 was the nearest match and satisfied.

Your earlier point about the Juul not producing the vape volume better equipment can confirms what i was getting at. Less of more, if you will.

 

[sailorman]

I think he relied upon the intellectual prowess of that luminary, Dick Durbin. Who could go wrong following him?

I seriously doubt he consulted Durbin. Maybe he talked with that dingbat governor in Michigan, who outlawed flavors weeks ago.

Considering that Trump's best counsel is himself and he was born already knowing all there is to know about pretty much everything, IMO, outside of his own head, this is primarily Melania's doing, along with the encouragement of whatever sycophant(s) who happened to be hanging around at the moment.
Whoever's responsible, this is just a knee-jerk reactionary and counterproductive bid for the hysterical soccer mom vote.

Grab a mech mod
Stockpile nic
Kommander Kumquat's tiny hands
Have Trumped your flavor pick

 

[CMD-Ky]

I seriously doubt he consulted Durbin. Maybe he talked with that dingbat governor in Michigan, who outlawed flavors weeks ago.

Considering that Trump's best counsel is himself and he was born already knowing all there is to know about pretty much everything, IMO, outside of his own head, this is primarily Melania's doing, along with the encouragement of whatever sycophant(s) who happened to be hanging around at the moment.
Whoever's responsible, this is just a knee-jerk reactionary and counterproductive bid for the hysterical soccer mom vote.

Grab a mech mod
Stockpile nic
Kommander Kumquat's tiny hands
Have Trumped your flavor pick

I doubt that Trump consulted Durbin either. I should have put a "/sarc" tag on that but, honestly, I did not think it necessary, obviously wrong.

 

[sailorman]

You misread. 36 was in an eGo with a Type A (cigar-size) atomizer/cart. When I got an RTA I had to back off immediately. Soon after, I switched suppliers and 26 was the nearest match and satisfied.

Your earlier point about the Juul not producing the vape volume better equipment can confirms what i was getting at. Less of more, if you will.

Ahhh... Gotcha'. But even 26 is pretty stiff for today's RTA's. At least for DTL it would be. Haven't really tried my old 24mg with a good modern MTL atty or tank but i'm pretty sure I'd have to crank it down.

For a long time, I made my own 24mg juice. First time I walked into a B&M vape store in a few years, I was confused why all the juice was 3, 6, 8mg.... I thought, how's this supposed to work? I sure found out when I stuck my regular 24mg into the new Baby Beast tank and tried DTL for the first time. It took me back to age 14 and my first Kool.

 

[stols001]

I am going to make this next pay period all about me.

After I have done that, I will voraciously attack, but after I'm okay myself. That is how it has to be when you were facing COPD at 41 years old.

THAT IS A LOT OF NIC. I'm NOT elderly!

Anna