People are too easily manipulated, even in this community.

[Kropotkin]

I don't get it.

The reviewers offer a useful service. Their reviews are free, and nobody's forced to watch them.

What on earth is the problem?

 

[DaveP]

I don't get it.

The reviewers offer a useful service. Their reviews are free, and nobody's forced to watch them.

What on earth is the problem?

The limited attention span of most buyers who don't read them extensively.

 

[Kropotkin]

The limited attention span of most buyers.

Well, maybe.

I just can't imagine why folks sound so defensive about listening to the opinions of reviewers. I always check the reviews before buying something, and I certainly don't feel "manipulated". I mean, really: how else - unless one's lucky enough to have an incredibly well-stocked vape shop nearby - could one see and compare specific products in detail, or choose new gear when shopping online? Would it be somehow better to make random selections from random websites without any idea of how the items actually work? And what about newcomers - how on earth could they vape safely without explanatory videos? Most of this stuff doesn't even come with instructions!



I dunno. People are baffling sometimes.

 

[Racehorse]

a few reviewers set the bar

I've seen a few products never "take off" because one of the big name reviewers didn't like it.

One of them was one of my favorite little 14500 mods that I still love, but was unable to get a 2nd one since all the vendors "got rid of them quickly" and didn't carry them after that.

So yes, I've seen the *lemming march* a few times. Some of us use stuff that is not *popular* and everyone has different tastes.

One thing I can tell you for sure, vaping forums totally underestimate the popularity of small vaping devices, even cig-a-likes, to the general population out there. They can go into a B&M and get a "big mod." The deal is, they don't WANT a big mod.

I even know people who only use white cloud disposables, etc.

The majority of vapers I see are just people who are using cheaper devices to stop analogs, which is great but they don't even know we exist.

You are correct. The "majority" of people using some kind of ecig device are not members of vaping forums. And most of them would not spend much on a vaping device. But I wouldn't worry about that, there are enough people who will and do and that keeps the mod makers in biz.

 

[Panorama911]

The only issue I have with reviews is the short term experience syndrome......" Man I have been vaping this "product" for a day now and it ROCKS!"...Even a few days is not good enough for me to buy. I would like to see all reviewers and reviews to be made post 30 days trial.

Then tell us what the product is like. I may be behind the curve in product purchases but when I do, I know all the negatives first and it seems the negatives take a good 30 days to evolve.

I want reviews after the product has been dropped from the roof on to concrete, dropped in the lake while boating, left in a hot car for hours etc.

 

[DaveP]

Reviews have to be taken with the proverbial grain of salt. New owners are elated with their choice and sometimes haven't encountered the gotchas associated with it. Reviews need a check box for time owned and used before entering the details.

I can tell you all about my extended use period with the Aspire Nautilus and the Kanger line of Protanks. My EHPro Kayfun 3.1 is only 3 days old. I love it, but I may not have encountered problems that occur down the road. Right now, all I have had issues with are the tightness of the parts, but other users say that gets better as the threads break in and smooth out.

 

[mightymen]

We have remind ourselves that vaping is a personal choice and we each have are own opinion with it and what equipment we use. It's a personal choice of wants and likes also dislikes. One person might like the idea of making they own coils and wicking DIY another might want to do it just to save money. What I like is nothing more then a choice by no means should some judge a product only by my reviews because there going to be one sided most of the time and that goes for those on UTUBE or anywhere else. It can be used to measure how a group like something though that does mean you wouldn't for in love with. All we are hearing is personal choices.

Because I love double RY4 does mean it's great and you should run out and buy it.

I dislike carto's I find them useless and have a bunch of the in my draw along with five nova tanks and two Protank I's, there is a place for them and people do love them. When I first got my Protank I couldn't praise it enough and it's still a good tank but now that I have the fogger my standards are higher.

If your looking to upgrade or just get something new, you should write down what your wants and needs are before you watch or read reviews and even after that you could still be missing out on the best product for you or buy a product and dislike it.

 

[crxess]

The reviewers aren't to blame the mod makers in a way are.

These devices are NOT mass produced like a Provari or an Innokin VTR. These devices are sold at very high prices, mass producing them brings DOWN the cost which is bad for the mod maker. They already know they can't win in the mass market and compete with the big boys so hey go for the collector's market and make things that are "rare".

Wondered how long until it was the clones fault.

Dude, this is about whether we are really individuals or Sheeple.

 

[tj99959]

Wondered how long until it was the clones fault.

Dude, this is about whether we are really individuals or Sheeple Lemmings.

There, fixed that for ya

 

[FictitiousFreedom]

I just worry that the big reviewers are being bought, that even if a product is garbage they will get people buying. There are some great devices out there that don't see any attention because it hasn't been reviewed. I watch all the big reviewers videos, .... I'm guilty of buying an atomic as my first rda because rip said it was the best, and its a good rda but not the best by any means, he is just helping the guys at bevapehappy, and they obviously have contracts with mcv. That's what I'm trying to bring to light, that most reviewers only review products that people send to them, so say an engineer finds a way to make an amazing new rda or mod, if he doesn't have the money to promote his product because it all went into the device we may never see it. At least we have the few good forums, without them all we would have to go on would be YouTube videos. Thanks for everyone's ideas and opinions on this topic, its really interesting and informative even if we are a minority.

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[TheColdHandedVG]

Funny, whenever RIP Tripper talks about any product, I instantly don't want to buy it at all, for fear of turning into a massive idiot if I use it. There's a hole in your logic

Why is there so much hating on RIP? I mean, I have never purchased a product he has reviewed but I have watched at least 20-30 of his videos and I laughed and/or learned something during every one. Maybe you're all just a bunch of beard haters?

 

[Free6413]

I have watched numerous videos for information purposes. I have found great devices by just asking around and trying different things. I don't mind spending good money on equipment that works and I enjoy. I don't make decisions on someone else's reviews because what they like May not be for me! I am an individual with individual likes! I refuse to rent out space in my mind to others! Gets too crowded. LMAO!

 

[crxess]

Went to Youtube to test Ops theory..........................

What I got from most reviews of (2) test examples I have ordered but not yet in hand...........

Both examples - Most people are almost clueless
Many people order things they expect to work differently
Some people are just plain Careless in use
A good amount no nothing of the Designs actual intended use or how to set up properly.

Test Cases -
4Nine (Clone)
Magma RDA (clone)

Having not even received these and even before ordering, I already understand most of the quirks which each may exhibit and steps to insure decent function.

 

[Kropotkin]

. . . There are some great devices out there that don't see any attention because it hasn't been reviewed.

So what's preventing the designers of these marvelous gadgets from mailing one to Todd or Grimm or Ruby Roo? What's preventing them from making videos of their own?

This is a very small world we're talking about, and it's not like anybody has to compete with General Motors.

 

[HauntedMyst]

People are too easily manipulated, even in this community.

No they aren't.....well, you maybe right. You are probably right.

 

[DaveP]

All reviewers have some sort of connection to those who supply them with review items. Whether or not it's a gift upon reviewing or not we will never know. I would suppose that they get to keep what is sent to them for further review and comment. Maybe not, but if I had to send it back, that might affect my attitude if keepers was the norm.

Rip is a little over the top, but does a good review. Phil Busardo highlights the good points, but mentions the down sides and the differences if he's doing a comparison. Those are the first two I watch if I'm interested in something new.

 

[twgbonehead]

I have a simple system.

I go on FastTech every day and look at their new arrivals.

If something looks interesting I put it on my wishlist.

When something looks irresistable, I buy it, and add other stuff from my wishlist to the order.

While I'm waiting for it to get here, I check the site nearly every day. The long shipping delay gives me lots of time to read the reviews of the stuff I've already bought, and to add other stuff to my wishlist. I'm usually pretty happy (and sometimes ecstatic) at what I get. And the stuff I don't particularly care for (like the 3D and Patriot) both got good reviews. Seven years of college down the drain!

Working pretty well for me so far. I did venture onto YouTube to watch PBusardo's video on how to recoil a kanger head, and some other re-coiling videos.

Hey, if YouTube video reviews make vaping more popular, I'm all for it! And you can't say there hasn't been the same feeding frenzy driven by threads on ECF. Hairdressers across America are bemoaning the Nation-wide CelluCotton shortage as we speak!

Those poor workers in the Rayon mines.... Forced overtime in the middle of summer vacation season.

I think this post kinda started on-topic. Could be wrong.

 

[Kropotkin]

All reviewers have some sort of connection to those who supply them with review items. Whether or not it's a gift upon reviewing or not we will never know. I would suppose that they get to keep what is sent to them for further review and comment. Maybe not, but if I had to send it back, that might affect my attitude if keepers was the norm.

I'm sure they do get stuff to keep, but I certainly don't begrudge it to them. They're under no obligation to work for free, after all.

I know that Todd donates a lot of gear to charity auctions, which I think is lovely. I have no idea about the others, but I hardly think they're raking in millions either, so I find the OP's complaint that they're "bought" a bit silly.

The reputable reviewers help to make the confused world of vaping a lot more manageable, and I'm grateful to them for that. The churlish wannabes trying to follow in their footsteps are pretty dreadful, it's true, but most of them are so charmless they're easy enough to ignore, so who cares?

The only people that really do bother me are the witless YouTube "experts" casually showing off unsafe, ultra-low builds without a single mention of battery safety or further education. Those guys are a menace.

 

[e-pipeman]

You have to decide what you want. Other people (including reviewers) can tell you what you want. But you decide. It's the "adult making choices" thing. And you live with the consequences. This is how it should be.

Oh, and if you spend a fair amount of time on this forum, you'll find you get plenty of helpful advice without having to watch a single video.

 

[DaveP]

I'm sure they do get stuff to keep, but I certainly don't begrudge it to them. They're under no obligation to work for free, after all.

I know that Todd donates a lot of gear to charity auctions, which I think is lovely. I have no idea about the others, but I hardly think they're raking in millions either, so I find the OP's complaint that they're "bought" a bit silly.

The reputable reviewers help to make the confused world of vaping a lot more manageable, and I'm grateful to them for that. The churlish wannabes trying to follow in their footsteps are pretty dreadful, it's true, but most of them are so charmless they're easy enough to ignore, so who cares?

The only people that really do bother me are the witless YouTube "experts" casually showing off unsafe, ultra-low builds without a single mention of battery safety or further education. Those guys are a menace.

I don't have a problem with reviewers getting to keep the sample. It's a benefit of reviewer status and it's probably the norm in the industry.

The only way to safely navigate the rhetoric is to become familiar with the product outside of YouTube before you take the video reviews for truth. ECF is a good place to get hands on comments. There's always a topic on whatever unless it came out yesterday.

Today's world is one of making money by hit count. YouTube pays for that. To get repeated hits, you need to be honest enough to generate repeat viewers, or just plain lucky. The lady below stands to send her kids to college on a viral YouTube video.

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