People who ruin it for the rest of us

[RosaJ]

That's what I'm trying to figure out. Exactly where are there so many vapers that rude vapors is a major problem?
The only time I see vapers is at the vapor shop.

Ditto! That is exactly what I've been saying since I joined the forum. It seems like all the typical arguments are based on hypothetical or one case scenarios. Certainly not enough to make a blanket statement that if we vape in public we'll be the cause for the bans.

I guess people need to carry a heavy burden on their shoulders to feel good and enjoy life. Wow!

 

[p.opus]

Considering that the state of CO made 2 million dollars in tax revenue from that other substance in the first two months of the year, you would think the states would come up with a better way to profit from the vaping industry rather than placing such a high tax on it that no one could afford it.

They see us as addicts. We've endured high taxes on tobacco, so as we migrate to e-cigs, so will they. It has nothing to do with health. It has everything to do with replacing lost tax dollars and lost Master Settlement Agreement money which is also tied to tobacco sales.

What they haven't taken the time to realize is this...We don't NEED it anymore. Many of us have cut our Nic levels down to where what we are vaping from an "addiction" stand point is nothing.

I have exactly 40ml left of 4mg/ml nic juice left. Everything else is 0mg. Stuff I could conceiveably mix out in my Kitchen.

I can get Kanthal and Ekowool from Amazon....

I have two ProVari's and 3 Kayfun clones. The Provari's are not to impress, they just last dang near for ever.....

Point is. I'm no longer a victim of my addiction, therefore, their attempts to get tax dollars from me are a lost cause. However, I do believe we need to fight for everyone who comes in after us. Municipalities, Cities, States, and National Governments are literally sacrificing peoples lives on the alter of tax revenue. I remind my representatives of this daily.

Never before has there been a product that has the potential of eliminating smoking and I make my representatives know that for every person who dies, because they taxed e-cigs out of the affordable price range, their blood is on their hands.

 

[Jay-dub]

I would take a Different Approach that Saying that e-Cigarettes are Saving Money. Those Monies you are Saving are seen as a Tax Base in which States are Losing Money with.

I approach them with more of a Health Approach. And that Any and all of the 2nd Hand Vapor studies have been shown to be in Error.

I should clarify then. Concisely. I'll figure it out. But less people needing public money to pay for the health costs of smoking does save the gub't money. They may not collect us much, but they won't be spending as much either... I need to get home. I'll work on them more and check here before I send them out tomorrow. Thanks!

 

[RosaJ]

I should clarify then. Concisely. I'll figure it out. But less people needing public money to pay for the health costs of smoking does save the gub't money. They may not collect us much, but they won't be spending as much either... I need to get home. I'll work on them more and check here before I send them out tomorrow. Thanks!

Remember cigarettes taxes don't go into a health fund for smokers who get sick, it goes into the States' General Fund account to be spent as the States see fit. The way cigarette taxes were sold to the masses in the beginning was saying that it would go to treat smokers. That is NOT the case.

 

[zoiDman]

Ditto! That is exactly what I've been saying since I joined the forum. It seems like all the typical arguments are based on hypothetical or one case scenarios. Certainly not enough to make a blanket statement that if we vape in public we'll be the cause for the bans.

I guess people need to carry a heavy burden on their shoulders to feel good and enjoy life. Wow!

Perhaps if you Branched Out and visited some of the Other Forums on the Internet, you might find more accounts of People who have had Less than Glowing Experiences with People Vaping.

Than you might Here on the ECF.

 

[zoiDman]

They see us as addicts. ...

Unfortunately, Many people do.

And Some People Needs, Wants or Desires to use an e-Cigarette Constantly, Everywhere they Go, is Not Helping to break this Perception.

 

[TRoxx]

Some people smoke.. and Some people vape and some people do neither.
However..
We all fart ... We all have that in common.
Somehow...
People have an inborn instinct that tells them when... and where to fart
Example:
"Hey..., I really need this job ..and farting during a job interview may not be a good idea"

 

[drummerskey]

The first part of a solution is to stop calling it an "electronic cigarette". Just using the name makes the connection. Second, get involved in the conversation with local, state and federal government. You can create a petition with the White House. 20,000 signatures requires the president to respond. Move the argument towards including products like nicorrete, the inhalers and patches if they are going to tax Vape gear, it's closer in relation to those products than cigarettes and simply educate your own circle of friend and once they understand, have them get involved so that non-vapers are helping. Of course, we don't want taxes and bans but when others advocate, it solidifies an argument. How is that?

 

[Myk]

Remember cigarettes taxes don't go into a health fund for smokers who get sick, it goes into the States' General Fund account to be spent as the States see fit. The way cigarette taxes were sold to the masses in the beginning was saying that it would go to treat smokers. That is NOT the case.

Not only does cigarette tax not go to a health fun, the settlement money which was passed off as doing that doesn't either. Instead they added a fee for smokers (extended to nicotine users) to the mandatory insurance.
They stole our settlement money, taxed us and now want to make us pay whether we smoke or not.

 

[Myk]

Perhaps if you Branched Out and visited some of the Other Forums on the Internet, you might find more accounts of People who have had Less than Glowing Experiences with People Vaping.

Than you might Here on the ECF.

What forums are you hanging out on? I've only seen claims like that from known ANTZ or average Joe Citizen who rants about smokers.

 

[raspberryblu]

They see us as addicts. We've endured high taxes on tobacco, so as we migrate to e-cigs, so will they. It has nothing to do with health. It has everything to do with replacing lost tax dollars and lost Master Settlement Agreement money which is also tied to tobacco sales.

What they haven't taken the time to realize is this...We don't NEED it anymore. Many of us have cut our Nic levels down to where what we are vaping from an "addiction" stand point is nothing.

I have exactly 40ml left of 4mg/ml nic juice left. Everything else is 0mg. Stuff I could conceiveably mix out in my Kitchen.

I can get Kanthal and Ekowool from Amazon....

I have two ProVari's and 3 Kayfun clones. The Provari's are not to impress, they just last dang near for ever.....

Point is. I'm no longer a victim of my addiction, therefore, their attempts to get tax dollars from me are a lost cause. However, I do believe we need to fight for everyone who comes in after us. Municipalities, Cities, States, and National Governments are literally sacrificing peoples lives on the alter of tax revenue. I remind my representatives of this daily.

Never before has there been a product that has the potential of eliminating smoking and I make my representatives know that for every person who dies, because they taxed e-cigs out of the affordable price range, their blood is on their hands.

But that's my point. They would be able to replace the tax revenue generated by cigarettes by taxing vaping supplies. Then again, when smoking I got so accustomed to the high cost I didn't bat an eye. Are cigarettes taxed at 75%?

 

[zoiDman]

What forums are you hanging out on? I've only seen claims like that from known ANTZ or average Joe Citizen who rants about smokers.

There are a Lot of Average Joes in the World.

Have you Poked around any School Based Forums? You would be Surprised who much Activity there is from Parents of K~12 Students about e-Cigarettes.

 

[Nate760]

If you are actually expecting "fair treatment", reasoned, objective, or fact based science to be forthcoming from the extremely biased ANTZ agenda against... hell against vaping anywhere at all, you're belief that us being all nicey-nicey is going to somehow turn the tide is sadly misplaced. Vaping is not smoking. People who vape and accept being treated the same as smokers means you are only reinforcing the ANTZ agenda. You have been branded a pariah, and you have bought into it.

I don't have the faintest idea how you managed to infer any of this from what I posted.

 

[denali_41]

well then ,lets all go hide when we vape ,

guess its better to look and act a druggie then a proud vaper eh !!

 

[neutrontech]

Well, you've articulated a problem without offering a solution. Sort of the very thing I was... Anyway, what's your solution? No government? Just like getting rid of the Central Bank because it's evil. Ok...then what?

Freedom isn't free... why not "God Bless the USA". OR "Git-r-Dun" or "USA - USA - USA"! LOL! Slogans are great for meaningless, emotionally driven arguments.

Well taxing items the government feels cause harm helps no-one except those in power. They don't use that money to pay the health costs of those harmed. I never said get rid of the government either. I just said limit its power.
It's all about money anyways. If big P and big T weren't losing money, they would have no interest in lobbying the government to regulate it. If the government didn't stand to lose tax dollars or campaign donations, then they wouldn't waste their time either. This really has nothing to do with health, ethics, or saving the children.

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[jonny45378]

I'll get in on this topic. While I do occasionally vape indoors, I don't look for a confrontation and stealth vape. So I'm not one of those people who make the whole of us look bad. And outdoors I basically vape everywhere, but when I'm near people I cut down on the clouds. And so far I've never even gotten a mean look or anything.

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[RosaJ]

Perhaps if you Branched Out and visited some of the Other Forums on the Internet, you might find more accounts of People who have had Less than Glowing Experiences with People Vaping.

Than you might Here on the ECF.

LOL, perhaps, but I do spend time on other things other than ecig forums. I'm enjoying my retirement and having a ball just doing all the things I had to put off because I was busy working and supporting and raising my 3 kids. And, vaping is now part of my life, but not the main focus of my attention nowadays.

 

[Talyon]

Ok I've got the Answer to this seemingly age old question now, ok firstly.......

Hey is that something shiny over there? Brb.

 

[Tarrnation]

I'll admit, I've vaped in public indoor places before such as restaurants but I make sure that the place is well ventilated (ceiling fans running, etc) and I make sure to to ask permission prior to doing so. If someone asks me to stop, I STOP! I would NEVER vape in a crowded place like a movie theater, elevator, etc. (that's just plain rude).

I vape the 0mg stuff (quit analogs years ago before picking up vaping) so don't have to worry about inadvertently exposing people to nicotine but not everyone knows that (or is willing to take my word for it) and at this point in time, the public is generally unaware of the effects of second hand vapor. When confronted about vaping in public places (and it doesn't happen very often), I simply oblige their request to stop vaping and politely suggest that they educate themselves on the subject as they may find that there is actually no cause for concern.

 

[Myk]

There are a Lot of Average Joes in the World.

Have you Poked around any School Based Forums? You would be Surprised who much Activity there is from Parents of K~12 Students about e-Cigarettes.

I didn't mean average Joe like that. I meant the ones who constantly whine about smokers, the ones who see a smoker across a parking lot and do the fake coughs.

No, I don't hang out on school based forums. I wouldn't be surprised, parents are suckers for every scare story there is. I can't get specific on this forum but I recall a lot of complete idiocy coming from the cops through parents when I was a kid and I've seen similar crap from my friends who should know better.