Aero 510:
really
Bridgeless 510:
Clear as mud, eh?
reallyThanks Karen...between Tripps pics and that description you highlighted...not worth the extra $$.
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reallyThanks Karen...between Tripps pics and that description you highlighted...not worth the extra $$.
I've never tried the bridgeless Cisco 306, but I have debridged some of my own, and I have used the Aero.
I can definitively, decisively, for sure say this... I can't tell a difference! I'm certain there is one... Cisco is a fair guy, and wouldn't charge us $2 for that slick "AERO" etching alone. However, I can't tell what it is... Maybe I'm just not sensitive enough.
I will continue buying the bridged ones. I like them better when they're new. Then I usually debridge them around 15 mL or so, and rock them for a month or so after that. The bridged and debridged ones are the same price, so you may as well save yourself some work if you like them debridged, as long as you want 1.5 ohm...
I can definitively, decisively, for sure say this... I can't tell a difference! I'm certain there is one... Cisco is a fair guy, and wouldn't charge us $2 for that slick "AERO" etching alone. However, I can't tell what it is... Maybe I'm just not sensitive enough.
I will continue buying the bridged ones. I like them better when they're new. Then I usually debridge them around 15 mL or so, and rock them for a month or so after that. The bridged and debridged ones are the same price, so you may as well save yourself some work if you like them debridged, as long as you want 1.5 ohm...
I think he should specify that difference (the tweaks) so we can make a more informative decision.
Ok, I went straight to the Cisco's mouth on this one... Below, a support ticket I opened and the response I received...
There has been much discussion lately on an ECF Forum thread debating the differences between these two atomizers, both in the 306 and 510 versions.
Having used both, I'm not certain one is better or significantly different than the other. It's entirely possible that I'm not sensitive enough to pick it up. Is the Aero perhaps a slightly more airy draw?
Would it be possible to get a description of the difference (without divulging any trade secrets)? Other than that nifty etching on the Aero?
Thanks much!
Wil Sutton
Date: 23-Mar-2012 17:39:26
Name: Jessica
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The air flow on aero's is tuned to increase the flavor. They are slightly more airy than our bridged/bridge-less 306's. The aero's need the increased air flow to generate a vacuum effect which increases the amount of liquid to the coil. Slow and or soft drags will not produce much of a different between the two. There is more of a noticeable different on the 510's more so than the 306's. We might stop making the 306 aero and stick with 510's only.
-C
There has been much discussion lately on an ECF Forum thread debating the differences between these two atomizers, both in the 306 and 510 versions.
Having used both, I'm not certain one is better or significantly different than the other. It's entirely possible that I'm not sensitive enough to pick it up. Is the Aero perhaps a slightly more airy draw?
Would it be possible to get a description of the difference (without divulging any trade secrets)? Other than that nifty etching on the Aero?
Thanks much!
Wil Sutton
Date: 23-Mar-2012 17:39:26
Name: Jessica
Message:
The air flow on aero's is tuned to increase the flavor. They are slightly more airy than our bridged/bridge-less 306's. The aero's need the increased air flow to generate a vacuum effect which increases the amount of liquid to the coil. Slow and or soft drags will not produce much of a different between the two. There is more of a noticeable different on the 510's more so than the 306's. We might stop making the 306 aero and stick with 510's only.
-C
I have come to believe that all this stuff is marketing hype. After trying all sorts of attys over the past year that is my conclusion. Don't confuse me with the facts. Pay more and many people believe its better. Someimes yes and sometimes no. I'm back to Joye LR 306s and for me they work just as well and last as long as the super duper, low flow, air designed, short and long draw, air cooled, hyper coiled gold plated atty.
Also some businesses like high volume, low margin and some the opposite.
Whatever makes you happy.
Also some businesses like high volume, low margin and some the opposite.
Whatever makes you happy.
I'm waiting on my 306 aeros to get here I can't wait it takes so long coming to Canada. I believe they could be my attys I will be certain to post my findings ASAP.
I haven't really looked inside the bridge-less attys before but since finding and loving the HH357, these pics caught my attention.
In fact I ordered a 1.5 Aero, and put it on my XL Vmod today with a fresh 18650 IMR batt.
It fits great, has the 2 holes in the connector so it works with the b/f chamber of the Vmod.
Gotta say I'm really liking it after a few minutes.
It does need to be topped off regularly but I haven't used my Vmod in a month due to it just came back on warranty repair.
Will post more later... as it seems ALL attys taste and vape great when new.
It seems the consensus is that it is NOT an HH357, but I've found that even they tend to drop off in flavor after a while too...
In fact I ordered a 1.5 Aero, and put it on my XL Vmod today with a fresh 18650 IMR batt.
It fits great, has the 2 holes in the connector so it works with the b/f chamber of the Vmod.
Gotta say I'm really liking it after a few minutes.
It does need to be topped off regularly but I haven't used my Vmod in a month due to it just came back on warranty repair.
Will post more later... as it seems ALL attys taste and vape great when new.
It seems the consensus is that it is NOT an HH357, but I've found that even they tend to drop off in flavor after a while too...
Thanks Karen...between Tripps pics and that description you highlighted...not worth the extra $$.
After 4 days of vaping w/ the Aero, I cleaned it by soaking it in PGA and then let it sit to dry and had it in a zip lock. I got it out today to put on my Reo- it wouldn't fire. Then I looked inside of it- it resembles your second picture (but w/ all the carbon around the wires too). I had dripped some juice in and waited but to no avail. I then measured the resistance. 24ohms. I guess it's a goner. I have a supersonic cleaner coming from Amazon tomorrow- will try another soak and then the cleaner a few times. We'll see if that breaks up the build-up and lowers the resistance, but I'm doubting it. I bought the Aero because Hannah said that what I vape (mostly AVE Flue Cured) with the HH357 and it died in a weak from it (he sent me pictures), I should be using the Aero. I have one more that I haven't used yet...but am resistant to trying it again- not as long as some EM and Joye attys w/ the hole drilled out are vaping up a storm as the sub-$5 a piece range and these are lasting me a few weeks so far.Aero 510:
Bridgeless 510:
Clear as mud, eh?
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Well I've tried the aero attys and well I wish I would have just spent my money on reg cisco 306's as the draw on the reg ones is much better easier. I was under the impression the aeros would be a lighter draw not so if I were to post the reference to how tight they are that popped into my head I'd be banned from Ecf
From the pics, the Aero has a different mesh and no visible solder in the cup. The best method I have found is vinegar and baking soda. Brings my hybrid 2.0 to a virtually new appearance and performance. There is a you tube video. Another intersting one is using denatured alcohol. Another video available. You have to get the crud out somehow folks. I don't know that pg alone is going to have any effect in softening and removing the gooey or hardened juice on the coils and in the mesh.
I like the look of that Aero coil, seems cleaner, no solder and a nicer mesh. The wick looks different too. 11 coils, lol, Im lucky to get 5 or 6 in a cup when I rebuild. Anyone know where to get those ceramic cups? The Vivi Nova uses metal, gotta watch the grounding.
I like the look of that Aero coil, seems cleaner, no solder and a nicer mesh. The wick looks different too. 11 coils, lol, Im lucky to get 5 or 6 in a cup when I rebuild. Anyone know where to get those ceramic cups? The Vivi Nova uses metal, gotta watch the grounding.
I just realized this is a Reo thread and in my first post here i mentioned using the Aero on another bottom feeder... wouldn't have done that.
That said, I can easily substitute my Reo Grand topped with an Aero, as I am doing so, and will say that both the HH357 LR 1.5 and the Aero (1.5 only) are a "cooler" 1.5 LR. Trying to compare a Cisco 306 LR 1.5 with these is not fair imo, since the latter is famous for its wham factor; too hot for some.
The Aero at 1.5 is just right imo for a 3.7 mod ... so is the HH357 LR 1.5 because they aren't really on the hot hot side.
Thanks Wil, for proving what I suspected; the Aero is Cisco's version of Hanna's creation.
He must have left something out because while the Aero is my second favorite, it doesn't quite come up to HH357 value in the flavor dept.
Yet, second to HH357 is big imo because there is such a gap compared to anything else. Nothing is as good as a HH357 in flavor... vapor is great too.
Airy? yep, but worth the discomfort if you don't like airy.
I use the Aero's on my 3.7 b/f's.
At $12 the Aero is expensive yes, but better than a 5, 6, 8, 9 dollar atomizer? Yes. The flavor is better imo.
It's a solidly smooth vaporful atty.
I am the atty killer excuse me, but I'm learning. After close to 2 years of going through mostly DSE 901's (Vapor Kings 10pak $37.) - one atty a week, times at least 3 devices, I try to keep them from any dry hits, yet attempting always not to overfeed.
The key to "best vape" on both the HH357 and the Aero, for me, is not overfeeding. Keeping them alive is best acheived by minimizing dry hits, so it's a balancing game. I vodka bathe them all once a week, and only blow through the connector.
At half the price of Hanna's ultimate atty's i think it a deal, and since they are true 1.5 Ohm, you don't need an expensive VV device. These atty's work fabulous on any 3.7 device.
That said, I can easily substitute my Reo Grand topped with an Aero, as I am doing so, and will say that both the HH357 LR 1.5 and the Aero (1.5 only) are a "cooler" 1.5 LR. Trying to compare a Cisco 306 LR 1.5 with these is not fair imo, since the latter is famous for its wham factor; too hot for some.
The Aero at 1.5 is just right imo for a 3.7 mod ... so is the HH357 LR 1.5 because they aren't really on the hot hot side.
Thanks Wil, for proving what I suspected; the Aero is Cisco's version of Hanna's creation.
He must have left something out because while the Aero is my second favorite, it doesn't quite come up to HH357 value in the flavor dept.
Yet, second to HH357 is big imo because there is such a gap compared to anything else. Nothing is as good as a HH357 in flavor... vapor is great too.
Airy? yep, but worth the discomfort if you don't like airy.
I use the Aero's on my 3.7 b/f's.
At $12 the Aero is expensive yes, but better than a 5, 6, 8, 9 dollar atomizer? Yes. The flavor is better imo.
It's a solidly smooth vaporful atty.
I am the atty killer excuse me, but I'm learning. After close to 2 years of going through mostly DSE 901's (Vapor Kings 10pak $37.) - one atty a week, times at least 3 devices, I try to keep them from any dry hits, yet attempting always not to overfeed.
The key to "best vape" on both the HH357 and the Aero, for me, is not overfeeding. Keeping them alive is best acheived by minimizing dry hits, so it's a balancing game. I vodka bathe them all once a week, and only blow through the connector.
At half the price of Hanna's ultimate atty's i think it a deal, and since they are true 1.5 Ohm, you don't need an expensive VV device. These atty's work fabulous on any 3.7 device.
Regarding the coil, Fernand, from another thread talking about the HH357, mentioned that the thin wire, many wraps, create a solid line of juice on the coil length which gives you all that flavor.
Yes, both HH357 and Aero are similar design... yet Hanna gets the nod for more flavor.(and more flavor than the Gen/Ody atomizers imo).
Ukeman this is of course just my opinion but the Aero atty is like sucking a golf ball through a garden hose compared to a regular cisco 306 lr I can't imagine where you get airy from after a couple hours of using one my teeth felt like they were gonna pop outa my head so i tried another same and another same
if you look back through the thread Justice, you'll see that the consensus, small as it is, is AIRY.
That's the good thing about the forum; if folks just went by my experience, or yours, we'd not be getting the full picture.
I've had 3 Aero's so far and they were all slightly airy which i have gotten comfortable with ... the vapor production is good and the flavor is good too.
That's the good thing about the forum; if folks just went by my experience, or yours, we'd not be getting the full picture.
I've had 3 Aero's so far and they were all slightly airy which i have gotten comfortable with ... the vapor production is good and the flavor is good too.
interesting those differences, maybe the liquid has something to do with this? maybe your PG/VG rations differ alot?
1st I have to say that the Aero is the ONLY Avid atty I have not tried. Not sure I ever will since an airy atty is the only atty I like. Now that some say it is airy and some don't is enough for me to just stick with what I like...the bridgeless 510. The 357 is perfect in draw,taste and vapor but too short of a lifespan the way I abuse attys.
It is possible, Jeann...I vape 100%VG based juices and I did not enjoy my Areo atties, I found them to be too tight of a draw. I saved them though, so I can drill out the holes in hopes that I can use them later. I found the Cisco Bridgeless to work well for me and the regular bridged atties worked well for me too.
Aero atty- I had packed away came out at Bonnaroo... weird that it was not very good the first time but it worked flawlessly for me all weekend and continues to work. I'm not keen on the very very light draw it has but nice thing is it doesn't get jammed up and restricted either- it's all about a good vape and that, it is!!
Edit: I now read where everyone thinks this is a tight draw...I found quite the opposite with mine- at least my second one.
Edit: I now read where everyone thinks this is a tight draw...I found quite the opposite with mine- at least my second one.
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