Pharm grade juice worse for you?

[jb007gd]

Let me preface this by saying I got the impression the women I was talking to tonight was a little crazy. I'm taking her words with a grain of salt, but I figured I'd throw this out there for discussion.

I was walking through the mall tonight and stopped at the Vape kiosk just to see what was cooking there and have a little vape chat. We got into a discussion about DIY juice and she told me she won't DIY any more because she had a reaction to Pharmaceutical grade nicotine that sent her to the hospital, so nowadays she *prefers* juice from China that's Food grade.

She didn't try to sell me anything, just advised I stick with food grade liquids.

Has anyone here ever heard of such a thing, or experienced a reaction that was attributed to using a pharmaceutical grade juice? Or was this lady just bonkers?

 

[mgmrick]

I would vote for her just being bonkers......

 

[flintlock62]

Maybe she didn't dilute a strong nic base?

 

[Endor]

Maybe she didn't dilute a strong nic base?

yeah... perhaps she's both crazy AND failed 7th grade math.

 

[Berylanna]

Yeah, I'm going to go with "DIY is dangerous" like all the headers on the DIY sub-forums. I'll do it if forced to (*) but basically, you MUST know what you are doing to DIY. I got the nic and test kit saved up, but the gloves, measuring equipment, goggles, apron, and all the rest should remain available at chemical supply stores no matter what the FDA does to the nic supply.

I WILL learn if I have to, but I'm aware that I MUST seriously LEARN.


(*) The real reason I have not learned before now is that I can't cook for ..... either so the flavor I got from trying to DIY with even low-nic bases was so nasty I don't consider it a viable alternative to Legend + Aroma Virginia WTA.

 

[zoiDman]

Let me preface this by saying I got the impression the women I was talking to tonight was a little crazy. I'm taking her words with a grain of salt, but I figured I'd throw this out there for discussion.

I was walking through the mall tonight and stopped at the Vape kiosk just to see what was cooking there and have a little vape chat. We got into a discussion about DIY juice and she told me she won't DIY any more because she had a reaction to Pharmaceutical grade nicotine that sent her to the hospital, so nowadays she *prefers* juice from China that's Food grade.

She didn't try to sell me anything, just advised I stick with food grade liquids.

Has anyone here ever heard of such a thing, or experienced a reaction that was attributed to using a pharmaceutical grade juice? Or was this lady just bonkers?

Hmmm. Pharmacy Grade Nicotine vs Something made in China to Unknown Standards?

I think you can find Anyone who has Something Bad to say about Anything.

 

[SouthernBliss]

I have a hard time wrapping my head around the concept of "food grade nicotine" since it is not used in foods. I wonder if she is confusing nicotine with what it is mixed into. Example would be food grade vegetable glycerin. I'm not sold that any company has food grade nic no matter what country they are in. I looked and liqua uses USP and Dekang lists dow as the nicotine so I would guess that is pharm quality, and hangsen's is 98% percent pure so again I would guess pharm quality. My guess is if she is getting food quality nic she has found some off market supply.

 

[jb007gd]

Thanks for the responses. I'm going to stick with my original belief that there nothing inherently bad about using pharmaceutical grade ingredients. And she's probably a little loony. Or at least a little confused. ;-)

 

[VF111]

I may be wrong but my understanding is it's all the same, pharmaceutical grade. If it's repackaged for consumption it's marked food grade. If you buy somewhere like Walmart and it's not marked food grade then it's not good to vape because they can repackage it in any kind of container for cosmetics ect.

 

[Berylanna]

I may be wrong but my understanding is it's all the same, pharmaceutical grade. If it's repackaged for consumption it's marked food grade. If you buy somewhere like Walmart and it's not marked food grade then it's not good to vape because they can repackage it in any kind of container for cosmetics ect.

I think she is confusing "grade" with "ready" or "concentration"

Ready-to-vape juice contains pharma grade nicotine but doesn't say so because it's simply understood. As-yet-unmixed pharma-grade nicotine probably DOES say it's pharma-grade. That means it's a raw ingredient, not e-liquid.

 

[2coils]

I think she is confusing "grade" with "ready" or "concentration"

Ready-to-vape juice contains pharma grade nicotine but doesn't say so because it's simply understood. As-yet-unmixed pharma-grade nicotine probably DOES say it's pharma-grade. That means it's a raw ingredient, not e-liquid.

That is a reasonable explanation! I dont think the vape lady at the kiosk is fully versed. I have heard a lot of complaints about the lack of knowledge at those places.

 

[bfrie]

Lol that's just like people saying nlu disposables are better than egos or this one crazy dude insisting the cheap gas station lighters are better than bics

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[zoiDman]

I think it comes from Someone having a Bad Experience with Something and then branding Everything as Bad.

It's kinda like having some Tai Food at a restaurant and then getting sick. Then telling people that Tai Food will make you Ill if you eat it.

 

[2corbies]

Sounds to me like you didn't get enough information to really make a judgment. She could be bonkers, she could have made a mistake mixing her DIY juice, or she could have gotten bad ingredients. Or she could have been allergic to something in her DIY mix. So I'd recommend you just ignore what she said, and use your own best judgment.

That said, most Chinese e-juice is made to much higher standards than many DIY-ers are capable of (see the video in the Dekang thread). If you DIY, you're counting on your own ability and equipment to keep yourself safe. Large scale e-juice vendors hire chemists, with degrees, to do this sort of thing.

I've got a BS in biochemistry, I'm used to working with lab equipment under a fume hood, and the idea of DIY with 100%, or even 10% nic scares the shi** out of me. I may try it one day, but I'd use very dilute ingredients. I know I couldn't set up a system sufficient to keep myself safe with the pure stuff.

 

[Plettschner]

That said, most Chinese e-juice is made to much higher standards than many DIY-ers are capable of (see the video in the Dekang thread). If you DIY, you're counting on your own ability and equipment to keep yourself safe. Large scale e-juice vendors hire chemists, with degrees, to do this sort of thing.

Interesting... I tend to steer clear of anything for consumption that comes out of China... a lot of that country is kind of an environmental disaster.

 

[zoiDman]

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That said, most Chinese e-juice is made to much higher standards than many DIY-ers are capable of (see the video in the Dekang thread). ....

I'm not sure how you can make such a Blanket Statement? What Exactly are you Basing this on?

Seems to be the same type of Logic as saying All Pharmacy Grade Nicotine is Bad.

 

[DrJohn]

Pharmacy grading is a quality control standard. Not a product source. I have been developing e juice with pharm grade materials and the only thing I notice is my carto's last for weeks not days. And I do not have to rebuild my atomizers every 30 mls or so. I have run 200 ml of juice in my smok RBA with a fc 2000 wick and there is no visible oxidation or soot. I use many commercially made juices prior and the killed my carto's and I would be rebuilding at least once a week. Pharmacy grade materials have less impurities and I believe that is the only reason they are better. Now DIY is a whole different matter. Missing a decimal point could kill you. I have use percentages of nicotine that con not be mentioned in making my own juice because I have extensive training in compounding medications to exact tolerances. If you do not have experince handling poisons ( because all drugs are poisons at a very controlled dose) don't touch nicotine above 30mg/ml. Safety and responsibility is paradigm for all of us in the community. If we do not want liquid nicotine in all forms being removed from our hands by some angry government agency we need to regulate our own actions.

 

[SilverCloud]

Hmmm...

My guess would be that the kiosk she worked at.....obviously sells only "Made in China" e- juices. And she was setting you up for the possible sale.

Bri

 

[Caridwen]

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/diy-e-liquid/277267-purity-pg-vg-peg-short-version.html

PG
Only propylene glycol of pharma grade should be inhaled, no other grade is suitable. All other grades contain contaminants.

VG
Glycerine should only be inhaled in pharma grade, which is often synthetic.

 

[the_vape_nerd]

I think she is confusing "grade" with "ready" or "concentration"

Ready-to-vape juice contains pharma grade nicotine but doesn't say so because it's simply understood. As-yet-unmixed pharma-grade nicotine probably DOES say it's pharma-grade. That means it's a raw ingredient, not e-liquid.

There is a very long post somewhere on the DIY subforum about what "food grade" means. I think it was Hoosier, DIY guru that he is, that explained that "food grade" is just a marketing term and the only thing you need to really be concerned about is the USP grading.