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Pharmaceutical PG and VG

Discussion in 'Australia - New Zealand Forum' started by Trumpybloke, Jan 20, 2009.

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  1. Trumpybloke

    Trumpybloke Super Member ECF Veteran

    G'day Aussies, dont know if you have your own supplies or not, but I have sourced Pharmaceutical Propylene Glycol and Glycerol ( Vegetable Glycerin) This is the purest form available and is Australian made by Biotech Chemicals in Laverton,Melbourne. they do not however sell direct. I have 2 500ml bottles of each here if anyone is looking to perhaps cut their higher mg nics... give me a hoi if you are interested .... works out around $6 per 100 ml by the time it gets to me. Not the cheapest but definately the purest and def made in Aussie, not overseas.
     
  2. cucurucho

    cucurucho Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Oct 31, 2008
    Sydney, Australia
    Polythene glycol?

    Are you sure this is what you ordered? I'm not sure that it's safe to use that stuff. If it's propylene glycol, I might take some.
     
  3. Trumpybloke

    Trumpybloke Super Member ECF Veteran

    <<<--- is a DH .. and edited and fixed LOL

    yep propylene you'd think an ex industrial chemst would keep his glycols straight wouldnt you :rolleyes:
     
  4. cucurucho

    cucurucho Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Oct 31, 2008
    Sydney, Australia
    Phew, you got me reading up on polythene glycol. Seems it's not as toxic as ethylene glycol... could well be a usable substitute, but I still wouldn't risk it :p

    Anyways, I'd be interested in 100ml to water down my 18mg stuff if I can find some good flavourings to use. Can you recommend any?
     
  5. Trumpybloke

    Trumpybloke Super Member ECF Veteran

    Hmmm I haven't gone into the flavouring side of it too much , but as a rule you would want to stick to natural flavours that contain neither oils or sugars in large amounts, both will kill your atomiser quicker than blinking. I am actually looking at Galenical menthol crystals to put into mine... and I'm not a menthol smoker either lol
    I wonder if the Bickfords everyone raves about are the same as our bickfords???
    PM sent regarding the 100 mls
     
  6. cucurucho

    cucurucho Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Oct 31, 2008
    Sydney, Australia
    'Queen Essence' seems to be the most popular flavour in supermarkets here. I can't find any information on the stuff online. Might have to pop into woolies and have a look at the ingredients.
     
  7. Trumpybloke

    Trumpybloke Super Member ECF Veteran

    I think they are mainly alcohol/water based , so they might be good for watering the PG/VG down , its reasonably thick stuff, kinda like a clear motor oil consistancy but a little thinner?
     
  8. Trumpybloke

    Trumpybloke Super Member ECF Veteran

    Ummmm Just when I thought I had got the best deal for PG , up pops an old mate who can give me any quantity I want of food grade PG 99.99% pure !!!not up to the 99.999 of the pharmaceutical grade tho LOL so it looks like I might be able to offer this at a VERY reduced price... depends on whether you lot want it or not .... minimum its worth me getting is 4 litres tho so get yer orders in if you want it and if we get enough interest I will grab that as well !!! I expect before postage etc it will come out at about $20 a litre ex my place, slightly more for smaller amounts , thats less than 1/3 of the BP grade !!
     
  9. cucurucho

    cucurucho Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Oct 31, 2008
    Sydney, Australia
    Well I picked up a bottle of Queen Essence rum flavour. Ingredients are water, propylene glycol, glycerine and "natural rum flavour".

    I tried mixing it with some 18mg tobacco flavoured juice, and it turned out to be quite nice. The vapour is very thick, and the rum flavour delicious.

    I'm afraid though, that this eliminates my need for pure PG. I thought the flavour might have been more concentrated, and I'd only need a few drops to taste it, but it turns out a 50% mix is required for a good amount of flavour.

    I tried vaping it straight as well, and it was pretty impressive. Much cheaper than buying 0 nic liquid.
     
  10. Trumpybloke

    Trumpybloke Super Member ECF Veteran

    Well done you brave pioneer you LOL !!!
    And after i got offered up to a 44 gall drum of PG too !!!
     
  11. gizmo

    gizmo Senior Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Nov 18, 2008
    Australia
    Hows that Queen essence cucurucho..

    I have a bottle of "vanilla flavoring essence" here but just mentions extract of vanilla beans..(Alcohol content 35% water)sugar

    plus keep away from heat & naked flame.:p

    I had visions of this happening when pushing the screwdriver button.:evil:hehehe

    Gonna try my local for the Natural Aniseed Essence :D

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  12. cucurucho

    cucurucho Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Oct 31, 2008
    Sydney, Australia
    It's good stuff. Plenty of delicious rum flavour. I was vaping my mix all last night, and stupidly forgot to bring it into work today.

    Probably best not to use that vanilla stuff. The sugar could caramelise and kill your atomiser... I think they have two vanilla flavours, it might be worth checking out whichever one you haven't got :) They've got a pretty good range of flavours, so I think I'll be trying some more out soon.
     
  13. gizmo

    gizmo Senior Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Nov 18, 2008
    Australia
    I'll have a sticky at the shop later..used to have a bottle of Black Label Vanilla Extract..around $12 a bottle,but it all went into pavs & cheesecake :p
    ....................

    Picked up a bottle of rum & one of strawberry...was syringing between the 2..both are quite yummy and yeah...nice thick vapor :)..syringing Queen essence though does look a bit odd :D

    Still looking for vanilla without sugar & anise..a bigger supermarket is my next stop. :)
     
  14. sydgal

    sydgal Full Member

    Jan 24, 2009
    Australia
    Got some of this from Franklins yesterday ($1.75 on special for 100ml) :D
    On the front it says 'Queen finest quality Glycerine'.
    The only ingredient listed on the side is: finest quality glycerine
    Then is says 'add to icing for a smooth, professional finish. Maintains moistness in fruit cakes and puddings'.

    I'm assuming this is the right stuff? :?:
     
  15. cucurucho

    cucurucho Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Oct 31, 2008
    Sydney, Australia
    Sydgal, that is what most people on these forums refer to as VG, or Vegetable Glycerine. It's fine to use, but will not have any flavour. The stuff I used was basically just food flavouring.
     
  16. sydgal

    sydgal Full Member

    Jan 24, 2009
    Australia
    Ya, thanks Cuc,

    After getting a bottle of this I was reading a :shock: thread here on the forum just today about VG :confused: YIKES!!!
    [sorry still cannot post links]
     
  17. cucurucho

    cucurucho Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Oct 31, 2008
    Sydney, Australia
    Four more posts and you'll be able to :)

    What was the thread called?
     
  18. sydgal

    sydgal Full Member

    Jan 24, 2009
    Australia
    Phew!
    Had a hard time finding the thread again, but I remembered TropicalBob had said he thought this (the thread) was the most unfortunate thread on the whole of the forum. So I did a search on 'unfortunate' and the thread came up :)

    Vegetable glycerine (glycerol) - safety discussion
     
  19. cucurucho

    cucurucho Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Oct 31, 2008
    Sydney, Australia
    Ahhh, THAT thread...

    My understanding of that whole discussion is that there is no real risk involved with VG. But I'm sure you can make up your own mind on that one :p
     
  20. sydgal

    sydgal Full Member

    Jan 24, 2009
    Australia
    Ya, that thread. Really, I think it's just the unknown factor creeping in with me being new and all and wanting to find out everything. That little post (OK, so it's not so little) about acrolein and atomisers heating to blah blah may cause cancer, did have me worried... Yet, I'm quite happy to smoke analogues which are strongly linked to various health problems including cancer. Makes perfect sense really! :rolleyes:
     
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