Phoenix rebuildable atomizer (clone)

[tunafish]

I picked up 2 of these a few days ago to test out dripping. Well first impression was complete garbage. I have gotten used to the stardust type clearomizers and although the flavor is a little weak I get a great throat hit and nice vapor. The pheonix on the otherhand with the same juice, a little more flavor, but weak vapor production and killer throat/chest hit. It kind of makes my chest feel heavy almost as if the nicotine strength triples with this atty compared to the clearomizer.

Ive tried
18mg NIC 60/40 PG/VG 10% FLV
" 30/70 PG/VG "
100% VG 10% FLV

I took the phoenix to work with me yesterday and only hit it twice in a ten hour shift, thats how much I cared for it. I'll give it another week or so and report back to this thread with the outcome. I just ordered some flavors from capellas instead of lorann, maybe that will help.

Any pheonix users have some useful input that would help me out with this atty?


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[spraintz]

weak vapor production is most likely due to the air hole being in front of one of the posts once the cap is screwed on. One suggestion is to put a lil bit bigger o-ring (a drip tip o-ring works nicely) on the base so you can position the air hole in between the posts(aiming right at the coil). Fixing this could possibly solve the TH issue as well, or at least help it. Also, make sure yer coil isn't wrapped too tightly around your wick. If it is too tight then the coil can overcome the speed of wicking and you can run the edge of dry burning and torching the wick. Keep it just loose enough that the all coils are contacting the wick but not "choking" it

I get friggin clouds of vapor out of mine the hit is strong but smooth for me. I do however vape of 24mg tho. Good luck!

 

[anavidfan]

I also got the clone of the Phoenix. I think I did a bad thing. I had it working okay. Im still getting used to it. I wanted to try another flavor and thought I should sort of burn out what was left in there so I could change flavor without mixing it too much. Before I did this the coils were pretty much like new. After doing this the coils look dark and Im getting a burned taste. The wick looks fine. Is it useless now till I make new wicks or is there any way of cleaning the coil with out ruining it more or is it just shot. Is there any way to revive it?

Since I started using it I do have slight sore throat, might be because before this atty, I never experienced a throat hit ?

 

[spraintz]

The coils need to be touching the wick everywhere it can. if a part of the coil is a lil bit too far away from the wick that it won't get the juice it needs to stay cool and it can create a "hot spot". This is usually where the burned taste comes from. If that hot spot gets too hot on a given burn then you can scorch the wick a lil bit. If the wick got slightly toasted that the burn taste can linger for awhile.

Many of the stock coils that these come with are wrapped way too tight around the wick and can burn the wick very easily. Dry burning is not absolutely necessary and if done needs to be handled with care.

If you are trying to avoid "flavor carryover" when switching juices then I would suggest just shaking as much old juice out as you can and then soaking up as much out of the "juice well" with a paper towel and put in the next juice.

Personally I find that just putting a new juice in and givving a few puffs is really all it takes unless you use a really strong juice like cinnamon.......that stuff almost never gets fully out of an atomizer.

BTW, there is a section for rebuilables that has a bunch of really good info about these atomizers:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/rebuildable-atomizer-systems/

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[AndyInOC]

I have one of these on the way & I'm really looking forward to using it & learning the nuances of it all. Kind of plays into my love of tinkering with things lol

 

[spraintz]

rebuildables are a blast for all us a.d.d. tinker-ers

 

[stv4SC]

I love my Phoenix. Great flavor and vape. The juice used plays a huge part in TH and vape. I w I'll never use a carto or clearo Mizer again. Drip or bust!!!

 

[Nurzrachit]

Go t rebuildables section for thorough instructions on how to use and rebuild this propery.

 

[tunafish]

Well... I couldnt stand using the phoenix. Im not sure if its tye flavors or what, but taste was just nasty, painful throat chest hits, and not much vapor. I now have 11 diff flavors, 5 from lorann and 6 from capellas and i made a ton of sample batches from 5-20% flavor but couldnt stand any in the phoenix. Im gonna stick with the stardust type clearomizers and just deal with the leaks and random burnt taste.

I like vaping, but lately its been a pain in the .... Lorann flavors taste like str8 chemicals to me now and capellas are crazy sweet. Id rather smoke a real cig to be honest, but its in my best interest to quit. Ill probably just end up dropping both completely especially since im not vaping much right now cause i cant stand the taste anymore. Its like smoking grass threw a plastic straw.

So if i give up both and later on go back to one..ill probably choose some real tobacco.

Later peepz! Yall are a good helpful group. Enjoy ur flava vapes!

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[Cookster]

Well... I couldnt stand using the phoenix. Im not sure if its tye flavors or what, but taste was just nasty, painful throat chest hits, and not much vapor. I now have 11 diff flavors, 5 from lorann and 6 from capellas and i made a ton of sample batches from 5-20% flavor but couldnt stand any in the phoenix. Im gonna stick with the stardust type clearomizers and just deal with the leaks and random burnt taste.

I like vaping, but lately its been a pain in the .... Lorann flavors taste like str8 chemicals to me now and capellas are crazy sweet. Id rather smoke a real cig to be honest, but its in my best interest to quit. Ill probably just end up dropping both completely especially since im not vaping much right now cause i cant stand the taste anymore. Its like smoking grass threw a plastic straw.

So if i give up both and later on go back to one..ill probably choose some real tobacco.

Later peepz! Yall are a good helpful group. Enjoy ur flava vapes!

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Sounds like you're a super-taster, which can be a PITA. You might need to go all natural or organic. If you DIY, try Nature's Flavors. HighDesertVapes sells them in smaller quantities, so you could get a bunch to try for a small outlay.

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I got the Phoenix clone yesterday, and I'm actually a little scared to try it

 

[anavidfan]

I wouldnt worry too much. I have both the phoenix and the phoenix clone. I love them, but they do give such a clean, smooth flavour, maybe thats what tunafish didnt like. If your juice is now coming on to full clean flavour, maybe the juice is not good to you any more. Try more subtle flavours and definitely go with natural/ organic juices. Maybe give Heathers heavely vapes a try or The Plume Room, thier juices are wonderful tasting, not candy like or artificial. Might not be everybody's cup o tea, as they are not candy like, very grown up and real.

I find the phoenix an easy to use, easy to rebuild wonderful alternative to cartos in a tank (which is my favorite) I do taste a difference in taste, more intense and smooth. I do get more of a TH, but since I use low nic, its not harsh, which is what you might be experiencing if you use higher nic. I think for the price its a great way to see if you like the genesis type of device without spending 150.00 to find out you dont like it. The unit is small and makes re building a little harder if you have normal or larger hands, bring out the magnifying glasses.

I dont use it as much as I do my favourite carto and tanks, and the Vivi Nova, but its great for trying out new flavours and all you do is vape till the juice is almost gone and drop a few drops of new juice and surprisingly the new flavour just starts up without much mixing.

Dont be scared to try it. Just drop in about 10 drops, put at least one or 2 on the coil. I dont do dry burns, I have bad luck with that. If you start out with a couple real short hits, dont in hale , sort of puff and blow out, keep doing that about 5 - 10 times and that should get the initial priming on the wick with out chancing over doing the dry burns. It will break in quite fast. Just get to know when you need to fill again. You are supposed to be able to drip thru the drip tip, which you can do. I just dont like not being able to see where the juice goes. I open up the tank while its upright and drip the juice into the reservoir and twist back on. This also keeps things cleaner wtih out that bit of juice sliding out the little vent hole.

Just remember, that using attys or gen style or VIvi Novas, you cant chain vape like a carto, or carto/ tank. You need to relax, and take smooth soft long puffs. Its a very relaxing method, the only draw back is that you can only apply about 10 drops max. But it does go a long way for 10 drops. You must also become adept at being able to tell and gauge when the juice gets low. Like all atty systems, keeping the wicks wet and keeping an eye at your coils being clean of building up is important to keeping the experience good.

 

[Swampey65]

I also recently acquired one of the Phoenix clones from DV and for what it is, I love it. I am not an 'Old School" dripper or anything like that so, I don't bother with using it outside the House.

It is the atty I use for testing my mixes though, as it (I feel) gives me the true dope on what the mix taste like before I put it in a CE3 or other Atty which tends to mute the flavor somewhat. So, it's perfect for my uses. Also, as other's have said; it's great for sitting around the house/back porch and doing a relaxing vape session...the only time I'm into dripping.

 

[Cookster]

I basically bought it to have on hand, because, lately all I'm seeing is the trending towards rebuildables. I was beginning to think everyone knew something I didn't, i.e., regulating/banning is coming sooner than we expect

 

[Swampey65]

I haven't heard anything like that (new news on banning etc.). Of course, along those veins, if I was going to be worried about anything like that; it would be the fact that they keep printing money backed by nothing but debt and an inability to ever pay it back which, could effectively turn our money's value into nada - effectively giving you nothing to buy new atty's with. So, I guess having some rebuildables with extra coil wire, wicks, PG, Vg and a gallon or two hundred of nic base might be a good thing to stock up on...?

 

[NancyR]

Please keep in mind, any rebuildable needs time to break in. So it is not surprising when you first use it you aren't getting the flavor, vapor and or th you are expecting.

A lot of the people who got the phoenix right off the bat already had some experience with rebuildables and knew this so might not have thought to said that when posting about it.

 

[asha23]

It's kinda jumping the gun to call something garbage, simply because you haven't set it up properly. These rebuildables do take a bit of practice to get working properly. Once they are, they are simply unbeatable in vape, th and flavour.

OP. Stick with it. Try re-coiling it. Watch some videos on how to do it properly. Cause it's more likely your coil that is garbage. Not the device itself

 

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[Vaptor]

phoenix is potentially superb but needs to be modded. That huge TH people get is not because it's good, it's because it has a bad airflow and b y the time the vapor gets to your mouth the e-juice gets burned. That can't be good in the first place. The air doesn't properly blow over the coil and that's why it always burns. My mod is simple but can be little finicky. Drill the air hole slightly bigger. Get a needle for pumping footballs.
Press or twist the needle tube in hard (can't glue it) so it holds. Make sure the tube does not go further than the coil post so the cap can be screwed but place it very close to the post. It is best if you can push the tube in so it points on the bottom of the coil. Also put another or thicker o=ring on the threads. This will allow to turn and adjust the airflow direction to taste.
You get - 1 smooth vapor, 2 much more vapor, 3 you'll only need to clean burn the coil every about 4 days instead of 2 days because the ejuice wont burn on it. A minor detail, the end of the tube is rounded so use that part. Ejuice won't accumulate on it to cause occasional gargling. Or just sand paper the end roundish and smooth.
I could not vape the Phoenix when I got it, now I don't vape anything else. Enjoy!