"AC over time, as with ANY liquid that we sell, will mellow out a bit over time and might not pack the punch as when you first got it." View it as bashing if you want to, but this statement is a 180 from the one people who were ever able to get an answer on the co ops received. Those liquids needed to "steep" to bring out the flavor. boB
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I've pretty much been done with TV for a couple reasons:
1. I can't get 100% VG, which I just prefer as the thickness is much more optimal for dripping
2. I don't always want a 30ml bottle of a flavor, and I'm too lazy to split it out with others every time I want to try a flavor
It doesn't help that there are some new vendors doing awesome things...
As for the "Flavoring is inconsistent" argument Mr TV put out there...that's a bunch of crap. Even if it is inconsistent, it is HIS responsibility to ensure that what he receives will work. Does your favorite restaurant keep putting out the same product with different ingredients, and expect you not to notice?
Case in point: I was a store manager for Burger King a few years ago (5 to be precise...glad to have moved on!). During this time, there was a tomato shortage because of weather and contamination and recalls, etc. We couldn't get tomatoes to put on Whoppers. The trademarked Whopper sandwich requires 2 tomato slices. We put up signs stating that we were out, and that it WOULD affect taste. For some...that didn't matter, they wanted a Whopper! For others, they tried it, and didn't like it, and were exchanged/refunded...but the point is we were up front and had signage to declare the missing element on their sandwiches. We didn't hide behind the fact that "Oh, there's a problem with tomatoes".
This has become a mini-rant...but it's up to the manufacturer/provider to QA his own product. He might be able to get away with it now...with his "Over 6000+ customers" but if he continues in this fashion...he might not have that many when its all said and done.
1. I can't get 100% VG, which I just prefer as the thickness is much more optimal for dripping
2. I don't always want a 30ml bottle of a flavor, and I'm too lazy to split it out with others every time I want to try a flavor
It doesn't help that there are some new vendors doing awesome things...
As for the "Flavoring is inconsistent" argument Mr TV put out there...that's a bunch of crap. Even if it is inconsistent, it is HIS responsibility to ensure that what he receives will work. Does your favorite restaurant keep putting out the same product with different ingredients, and expect you not to notice?
Case in point: I was a store manager for Burger King a few years ago (5 to be precise...glad to have moved on!). During this time, there was a tomato shortage because of weather and contamination and recalls, etc. We couldn't get tomatoes to put on Whoppers. The trademarked Whopper sandwich requires 2 tomato slices. We put up signs stating that we were out, and that it WOULD affect taste. For some...that didn't matter, they wanted a Whopper! For others, they tried it, and didn't like it, and were exchanged/refunded...but the point is we were up front and had signage to declare the missing element on their sandwiches. We didn't hide behind the fact that "Oh, there's a problem with tomatoes".
This has become a mini-rant...but it's up to the manufacturer/provider to QA his own product. He might be able to get away with it now...with his "Over 6000+ customers" but if he continues in this fashion...he might not have that many when its all said and done.
Well, based on what I've seen of Geoff's posts in the past, the one he made was pretty diplomatic. I have to agree with boB, though, the quality of the flavorings is TV's problem. Admitting that they have bad flavorings in the TV Gingerbread needs to happen.
One thing I found amusing is that they seemed to be waiting for someone to do something in that thread so they could lock it. The moment someone posted about another vendor, Geoff was right there to ensure that the thread was locked. Pretty interesting to see that he can lurk to lock a thread but takes a long time to actually respond to concerns.
One thing I found amusing is that they seemed to be waiting for someone to do something in that thread so they could lock it. The moment someone posted about another vendor, Geoff was right there to ensure that the thread was locked. Pretty interesting to see that he can lurk to lock a thread but takes a long time to actually respond to concerns.
No doubt Satharra........I made a comment about the co ops in that thread, I'm sure I'll be attacked by Queen...you DID see the thread in here on those right? The pics of the "goo" were an image that is enough to almost make me consider smoking again if I had to use TV as a juice supplier. But here again, I still believe that stuff was being messed with in order to make a buck by the co op organizer, and should have been dealt with.
I kinda view that as sub contracting if you will? Now I sub out some work to someone, I wanna know if there's problems and I need to get rid of a contractor for doing people wrong. Just the mere fact that he's dodged that issue forever explains a lot. For one it explains her constant apologist attitude. The sheep will still flock, but he has no idea what could have been.
I kinda view that as sub contracting if you will? Now I sub out some work to someone, I wanna know if there's problems and I need to get rid of a contractor for doing people wrong. Just the mere fact that he's dodged that issue forever explains a lot. For one it explains her constant apologist attitude. The sheep will still flock, but he has no idea what could have been.
No doubt Satharra........I made a comment about the co ops in that thread, I'm sure I'll be attacked by Queen...you DID see the thread in here on those right? The pics of the "goo" were an image that is enough to almost make me consider smoking again if I had to use TV as a juice supplier. But here again, I still believe that stuff was being messed with in order to make a buck by the co op organizer, and should have been dealt with.
I kinda view that as sub contracting if you will? Now I sub out some work to someone, I wanna know if there's problems and I need to get rid of a contractor for doing people wrong. Just the mere fact that he's dodged that issue forever explains a lot. For one it explains her constant apologist attitude. The sheep will still flock, but he has no idea what could have been.
I don't think I saw that thread. Link me? I know I picked up a bunch of liquids in a classified from a co-op just to try some of the flavors.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/pay-forward/109443-tv-co-op-discussion-thread-2.html Is the thread, I'm not going to bump it though cause this doesn't pertain to the current issue.
Post #64 has "the goo" poored on to a paper towel
Post #64 has "the goo" poored on to a paper towel
Here's a picture of the goo...I poured a little of the PralinesNCream from Co-op #3 onto a paper towel.
find it interesting that they used to chew people out for using cheap knock off attys, yet now they sell them.
I don't need hugs and kisses either but I won't tolerate a liar nor will I reward a person for such bad behavior. He attacks anyone who dares to question him no matter how legitimate the question or concern and is not happy until he has let it be known he is GOD and has reduced the offender to an embarrassed quivering mass. He makes a thousand excuses which anyone with half a brain should recognize as such but as seems to be common with our society at the moment, his nastiness and deceit are rewarded.
Don't you find it rather telling that Sallana was not offered a refund until she made a public statement? In fact she was completely ignored until that point. I of course can't prove it but I would be willing to bet that had Sallana not been a big part of the PIF group, she would have been slammed to the ground and stomped on by Geoff (per his usual pattern) but he doesn't want to piss off the PIFers. In other words, he was pretty much forced to do what he did.
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My post was the one right before Geoff finally answered. Most of his rant was towards what I said. I also got told off in so many words that I was a "one time poster" in that thread and I should basically .... out!. I have been watching both of these threads about T.V. that have been going on for over a week, and I am so glad that Sallana finally put it out there for everyone to see. And everyone was defending Geoff. WHY? It is his company,his problems. It was and still is up to him to check to see if there is an issue before that package hits the door. And why did it take him a week to reply in both the threads? Everyone kept asking for him to chime in and he never did.
Well I guess I embellish BS now. Dude doesn't have an honest bone in his body, be a man Geoff. Admit that you aint perfect, you've made mistakes, people can understand that......along with an apology for the way you've talked to people. He's not smart enough to realize he's digging himself in a deeper hole, that's the nature of a liar though. Once you start one it takes 2 to cover up the one. It's gotten to the point that's all he does, now he's gotta resort to calling other people liars when they call him out. Good thing everyone knows how he is, cause it don't work Geoff, and if you happen to read this, come clean dude!
The thing with Sallana is that she actually had PIF defenders. I'm glad she did but most don't. So you gave him a good excuse to close the thread without attacking her. Did I just say excuse? No......Geoff never uses excuses.
Not saying you did anything wrong Cinjay, just that Geoff who often confuses himself with another name that starts with G will jump on anything to avoid the truth. Nor is this just recent behavior. It's been going on for a long time.
I didn't feel like I did anything wrong. I felt so bad for Sallana because she was trying so hard for people to "get it" and they weren't. I honestly think that the money didn't really matter that much to her. She just wanted Geoff to admit that something had changed and not for the good, but no matter how hard she tried,everyone blamed her...that it was something she was doing wrong. She knew she didn't do anything wrong and it's not like it was her first order for that juice. She knew what it was suppose to be and how long to let it sit. And she did and still she was wrong. I don't get it!!!
the whole thread was BS nut huggers clinging to geoff. I wanted to hulk rage when that person said 15 bux wasnt alot for such "high quality juice".
and you have to think its getting to him, maybe just a little bit..
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/tasty-vapor/120010-tv-bashing-thread.html
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/tasty-vapor/120010-tv-bashing-thread.html
Yeah...plus $5 for shipping. So $20 for 30ml. I would much rather pay for top-notch juice than mid-tier TV stuff anymore.
My money now goes to:
BWB
AVE
Ms T
Anything else is a splurge and a shot in the dark it seems...
You didn't do anything wrong Cinjay. And you are right. It get's to the point where the money is secondary. Sallana had every right to call him out and let others know what he was doing.
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