I had an Eden set (re-branded PigCig), and the cutoff time drove me insane. Also, my regular 808's didn't work properly. I bought the Riva 901's from LF.... love the Riva! It's a little cooler than the PigCig, but very well made. Boge 808 cartos work perfectly, and with a little twisting and untwisting I can use V4L CoolCarts on it.