Pink Lung Brigade files suit against abusive Pierce County antivaping rules

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The rules these people are fighting are pretty over the top but our judges are no better than our politicians who are no better than the people who elected them so don't expect much regardless of law or equity. The people who depend on taxes are want ecigs to be totally banned while tobacco continues to be available on every street corner the same as always. If everybody stops smoking they will have a serious budget crunch. That's the 800 pound gorilla in this melodrama.
 
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The rules these people are fighting are pretty over the top but our judges are no better than our politicians who are no better than the people who elected them so don't expect much regardless of law or equity. The people who depend on taxes are want ecigs to be totally banned while tobacco continues to be available on every street corner the same as always. If everybody stops smoking they will have a serious budget crunch. That's the 800 pound gorilla in this melodrama.

But really, I'll be the first to recognize our 'Fearless Leaders' are money grubbing thieves. But are they really stupid enough or blinded by greed to kill the potential 'Goose That Laid The Golden Egg'? But to allow the FDA Attack Dog to kill the Goose!? Really?!!!!!
 

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But really, I'll be the first to recognize our 'Fearless Leaders' are money grubbing thieves. But are they really stupid enough or blinded by greed to kill the potential 'Goose That Laid The Golden Egg'? But to allow the FDA Attack Dog to kill the Goose!? Really?!!!!!
Our corrupt leaders have figured out something most of us have not. There is no golden goose.. My DIY costs $30 per year. A couple of devices are enough. The industry will eventually be a few China based manufactures and the rest will be too diffuse to register on the economy. But that tiny bit of economic activity will replace the gigantic $800 billion tobacco business.
 
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Our corrupt leaders have figured out something most of us have not. There is no golden goose.. My DIY costs $30 per year. A couple of devices are enough. The industry will eventually be a few China based manufactures and the rest will be too diffuse to register on the economy. But that tiny bit of economic activity will replace the gigantic $800 billion tobacco business.
I imagine you could smoke for $30 a year too if you grew, cured, cut, and rolled your own tobacco. While that would somewhat more labor-intensive than DIY'ing juice, it's entirely doable, and totally legal. The thing is, the vast majority of smokers didn't do that, and I'm sure the vast majority of vapers don't/won't either. Remember that the folks here on ECF are not representative of the vapers out in the wild. The fact that nic prices aren't sky high right now proves that. o_O
 

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I imagine you could smoke for $30 a year too if you grew, cured, cut, and rolled your own tobacco. While that would somewhat more labor-intensive than DIY'ing juice, it's entirely doable, and totally legal. The thing is, the vast majority of smokers didn't do that, and I'm sure the vast majority of vapers don't/won't either. Remember that the folks here on ECF are not representative of the vapers out in the wild.
Hence, a black market in response to FDA deeming.
 

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Hence, a black market in response to FDA deeming.
May be the Feds will ban vaping completely by prohibition or taxes and may be that will stamp it out here but we are just 4% of smokers. Is the whole world going to do the same? Will a ban stick if we are right that vaping is eliminating smoking and that's evident in nations where vaping left alone?
I imagine you could smoke for $30 a year too if you grew, cured, cut, and rolled your own tobacco. While that would somewhat more labor-intensive than DIY'ing juice, it's entirely doable, and totally legal. The thing is, the vast majority of smokers didn't do that, and I'm sure the vast majority of vapers don't/won't either. Remember that the folks here on ECF are not representative of the vapers out in the wild. The fact that nic prices aren't sky high right now proves that. o_O
Time is money and growing tobacco for personal use would cost something. If there is a harsh FDA crack down and a grace period stockpiling might increase but still the US is a small percent of smokers.
I wonder about how nic can be so inexpensive compared to tobacco. May be only a small percent of nic is harvested from tobacco as leaves suitable for smoking and most of the nic is plowed under. So the residue is collected and hauled to a processing plant and extraction is not so expensive on a commerciaal scale. In the end vaping is nearly 2 orders of magnitude more economically efficient compared to smoking. I think that efficiency is a bigger part of the story than is being acknowledged and is what complicates control efforts. $7500 an ounce nicotine yeild from cigarette smoke at $6 a pack, $1,000 an ounce for gold, $14 an ounce for liquified nic in a $50 bottle of concentrate. Economics 101, the least cost provider wins.

The commercial pre mixers are making silly good money. They can absorb a tax and pass it along to us. I'm not letting the pre mixers and the government pick my pocket. DIY
 

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May be the Feds will ban vaping completely by prohibition or taxes and may be that will stamp it out here
Just like Prohibition stamped out alcohol or the war on (some) drugs has stamped out the substances that were banned? o_O
 
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