Please can't we all be friends??????????????????????????

[Jim Davis]

If you or anyone have any thougths on the warming up process, please help me,d

Howdy Cos!
Most are pretty warm here. We have a world wide meeting place with people from all walks of live thrown in the mix. Thousand's of different personalities, life styles, and beliefs.

This is one giant party, my friend, and occasionally, someone is going to throw a turd in the punchbowl. It's human nature, and none of us can change it. Everyone has to keep cool, and respect the others. If the trouble makers are ignored, the eventually go away.

I feel there is nothing we can do to warm the place. It has to warm naturally. The good will be recognized, and the bad will die off and rot.

 

[gep]

Howdy Cos!
Most are pretty warm here. We have a world wide meeting place with people from all walks of live thrown in the mix. Thousand's of different personalities, life styles, and beliefs.

This is one giant party, my friend, and occasionally, someone is going to throw a turd in the punchbowl. It's human nature, and none of us can change it. Everyone has to keep cool, and respect the others. If the trouble makers are ignored, the eventually go away.

I feel there is nothing we can do to warm the place. It has to warm naturally. The good will be recognized, and the bad will die off and rot.

Well, I'm as guilty of anyone can be of getting wrapped up in the drama and it is usually because I feel that there's some injustice being perpetrated. Sometimes it's warranted, sometimes I get carried away. Mea culpa.

I've done my share of confirming poor business practices in threads, but I've done my best to allow the supplier to resolve any issue I've had.

But this IS a microcosm, a reflection of our society, and while most of the time there is cooperation and courtesy, conflicts will flare, particularly as new and different personalities begin to merge with the whole.

There is a pecking order in a forum, as there is in real life, and so we will continue to see these flare-ups on occasion as people try to define their roles and positions within this community. This is inevitable.

Going forward I, for one, am going to do what I can do stay out of the insignificant skirmishes and attempt to diffuse the larger ones with humor. I cannot change others but I can change how I view and react to them.

And to Riddle80: That is a Great song. I wore out the original version that I had on 45 vinyl. Thanks for bringing that to the discussion.

Gep

 

[Catanonia]

Hey I got caught up in the latest one with TW and a newbie publically slamming them.

I felt the need to defend TW and how it was run and state the obvious flaw in the OP dispute and question why the **** he brought it out on a public forum with such a title.

The person in question acted like a spoilt child with I want it now attitude and I stand by my actions.

But from now on, well I probably just browse the forum and not contribute.

I have been on many forums (since the early beginnings of forums) and all the popular ones will turn into .....ing and sniping with trolls, cliques etc.

The only way to control a fast growing forum is through moderation. I even offered on several occasions to help out as I could see this problem happening.

I hope the forum grows from this, but stand by my feelings at flaming posts from posters should not be allowed. After all it is slander and could cause a whole heap of legal issues for the forums owners.

Cat

 

[cosican]

Hey I got caught up in the latest one with TW and a newbie publically slamming them.

I felt the need to defend TW and how it was run and state the obvious flaw in the OP dispute and question why the **** he brought it out on a public forum with such a title.

The person in question acted like a spoilt child with I want it now attitude and I stand by my actions.

But from now on, well I probably just browse the forum and not contribute.

I have been on many forums (since the early beginnings of forums) and all the popular ones will turn into .....ing and sniping with trolls, cliques etc.

The only way to control a fast growing forum is through moderation. I even offered on several occasions to help out as I could see this problem happening.

I hope the forum grows from this, but stand by my feelings at flaming posts from posters should not be allowed. After all it is slander and could cause a whole heap of legal issues for the forums owners.

Cat

First, no one of us should stop from posting if we have something that we all can take from it, Trust me, I have no issues w/ anyone, anyone.
We do not even know each other cept the words we put up on the board.
Our Avatars, can be anything or anyone on earth, resprsenting ourselves as something else. I thought about putting up a pic, of the most beautiful person on earth and claiming its me, but I don't do sxxx like that
So, no pic at all. As I have mentioned, this is my very first and only forum I have played on and I have found it very helpful and most addictive. ( I wish I understood it, why I am junked out here?)
It has kept me off analogs, but totally hooked on vaping, One crazy sickness for another, although it is a harm reduction model, so I am good.
All I am saying, IS GIVE PEACE A CHANCE ( pretty lame, hih?)
We cannot put this all on the moderators, they cant handle the volume, nor should they have too, be peace keepers, Thats part of our responsibility. Bottom line, as many have said, this is human nature, part of life, good and bad and all that stuff So, either I/we take it or just leave it and make the best of some of the stupid and work the destructive people as best we can

 

[RhinoOne]

All I am saying, IS GIVE PEACE A CHANCE ( pretty lame, hih?)

Not lame at all. What's so funny about peace, love and understanding?

Like others have posted, I've have stopped posting the past few months when the tone of the forum changed. I'll scan the forum for new information on products and suppliers, but that's about it.

 

[Catanonia]

First, no one of us should stop from posting if we have something that we all can take from it, Trust me, I have no issues w/ anyone, anyone.
We do not even know each other cept the words we put up on the board.
Our Avatars, can be anything or anyone on earth, resprsenting ourselves as something else. I thought about putting up a pic, of the most beautiful person on earth and claiming its me, but I don't do sxxx like that
So, no pic at all. As I have mentioned, this is my very first and only forum I have played on and I have found it very helpful and most addictive. ( I wish I understood it, why I am junked out here?)
It has kept me off analogs, but totally hooked on vaping, One crazy sickness for another, although it is a harm reduction model, so I am good.
All I am saying, IS GIVE PEACE A CHANCE ( pretty lame, hih?)
We cannot put this all on the moderators, they cant handle the volume, nor should they have too, be peace keepers, Thats part of our responsibility. Bottom line, as many have said, this is human nature, part of life, good and bad and all that stuff So, either I/we take it or just leave it and make the best of some of the stupid and work the destructive people as best we can

Believe me, the more popular forums you visit and participate in the more you will see this happen. Only the owners and the forum moderators have the power to stop the trolls and the .....ing. It is all very well wishing well, I wish it would happen, but the sad truth of it is that it never really happens and moderation needs to happen.

The TW thread should have been pulled immediately, mods were on the site at the time. It wasn't and it spilled over.

The progression normally goes as

1. Site starts up
2. Original members become friends and nice site
3. Advertising happens and site becomes popular.
4. Hundreds of new members visit and blast away as don't know what the site is about
5. Original members feel overwhelmed but continue.
6. Some ****wipes come along and start flaming.
7. Original members get out pitchforks and defend friends and suppliers.
8. All hell breaks loose.
9. Original members start to flounce announcing they are leaving and some do.
10 They set up another site to become friends again.
11 Go to part 1 and start over.

I have missed out a fwe steps here, but I guess we are close to stage 9 of the forum lifespan.



I do hope I am wrong, but I have seen this soooooo many times on forums. This is why moderators were invented.

 

[jim420]

I absolutely agree with the sentiment of the original post in this thread and the support of all you other folks out there. That having been said, I have seen that human nature prevails, it is sad to say. Any forum such as this will, over time, deteriorate. I have seen it time and again. How many ladies out there have gone into a chat room and had EXTREME rudeness swamp you. The male humans (I won't call them men, they don't deserve it) Would NEVER say things like that to your face and would most likely become violent were someone to say such things to their wife/girlfriend/sister/mother. It is only the anonymity of the internet that allows them to say such things.
As far as the "dissatisfied customer" postings, again, they might get angry going to the customer service desk about something they didn't like, but they would never talk like that to a real person, face-to-face. If they did, they would probably be charged with disorderly conduct (or the equivalent law where you live) and taken to jail. Again, it is only the anonymity of noone actually knowing them that makes this happen.
Just my thoughts, anyway. Please forgive me for rambling.

--Jim

 

[JJames68]

Hey I got caught up in the latest one with TW and a newbie publically slamming them.

I felt the need to defend TW and how it was run and state the obvious flaw in the OP dispute and question why the **** he brought it out on a public forum with such a title.

The person in question acted like a spoilt child with I want it now attitude and I stand by my actions.

But from now on, well I probably just browse the forum and not contribute.

I have been on many forums (since the early beginnings of forums) and all the popular ones will turn into .....ing and sniping with trolls, cliques etc.

The only way to control a fast growing forum is through moderation. I even offered on several occasions to help out as I could see this problem happening.

I hope the forum grows from this, but stand by my feelings at flaming posts from posters should not be allowed. After all it is slander and could cause a whole heap of legal issues for the forums owners.

Cat

so in your eyes, people should should not tell of their experiences unless they are good and the moderator should delete all threads where a user had issues with a supplier so that we are not aware of those issues and how those issues were resolved?

as far as the tw issue, I do not think the seller or the buyer was behaving very professional - but that is just my two cents as that thread has been deleted - we all expect issues from time to time, that is just natural, but how that issue is addressed is not always expected

 

[gep]

so in your eyes, people should should not tell of their experiences unless they are good and the moderator should delete all threads where a user had issues with a supplier so that we are not aware of those issues and how those issues were resolved?

as far as the tw issue, I do not think the seller or the buyer was behaving very professional - but that is just my two cents as that thread has been deleted - we all expect issues from time to time, that is just natural, but how that issue is addressed is not always expected

I believe that the issue should have been addressed one on one instead of it unfolding on the forum.

I believe that the first course of action should be to allow the supplier the opportunity to correct a problem, pm's or emails should follow.

Tirades, defamation accomplishes nothing more than inflaming the entire community.

A simple statement such as the following would suffice: "I have had past experience and it was not a good one. The issue remains unresolved, so at this time I cannot recommend them."

Just MHO.

 

[cosican]

so in your eyes, people should should not tell of their experiences unless they are good and the moderator should delete all threads where a user had issues with a supplier so that we are not aware of those issues and how those issues were resolved?

as far as the tw issue, I do not think the seller or the buyer was behaving very professional - but that is just my two cents as that thread has been deleted - we all expect issues from time to time, that is just natural, but how that issue is addressed is not always expected

JJ I do not think your comment is really fair, It helpful and correct to share in the negative and poor expereinces, its gotta happen, thats how we learn. ITs how it is voiced and shared, A situation where a product has not shipped or died within a day, does not make a supplier
SUCK, or make them a LIAR or CHEAT or any type of scoundral
I do appreciate that not all people communicate the same way and that ceratin choice or words are easier for some than others, I GET IT
But sometimes, it takes a single moment to reflect, on what is being said, Liar, Cheat, Scum whatever, has real impact on peoples lives and income, Trying to put things into persepctive, to rant and scream over a dead battery after a week, or even DOA, just seems petty to me,
I apoligize if I am simplifing this to much, I just dont get people when the think it revolves solely and totallly around them and their bad atomizer

Again,

ITS NOT WHAT YOU SAY, BUT HOW YOU SAY IT, that is all my posts have been about

 

[JJames68]

I believe that the issue should have been addressed one on one instead of it unfolding on the forum.

I believe that the first course of action should be to allow the supplier the opportunity to correct a problem, pm's or emails should follow.

Tirades, defamation accomplishes nothing more than inflaming the entire community.

A simple statement such as the following would suffice: "I have had past experience and it was not a good one. The issue remains unresolved, so at this time I cannot recommend them."

Just MHO.

well no one should be making a false accusation against a supplier, I agree with you there, that is defamation, I do not think anyone approves of that, were talking about real issues with suppliers

 

[Spikey]

Without naming any names... I have personally seen 2 or 3 obnoxious newbies become contributing board members just by ignoring their nastiness (or nicely pointing it out in a PM.. NOT publicly to embarrass them!).

Either way it seemed to work and I can see that the ones who are reasonable will become members of the community and the ones who are not will be ignored as soon as everyone figures them out. I think overall that is the best way to handle it... and it is MOST important for the regulars here to POINT OUT to the new people who are LISTENING to the flamers and PITA's that these people are new and are just being big babies. The newer members don't know any better unless we tell them.

PS.. I came in right before the downfall... but I am forever the optimist.

 

[franklyspeaking]

I believe that the issue should have been addressed one on one instead of it unfolding on the forum.

I believe that the first course of action should be to allow the supplier the opportunity to correct a problem, pm's or emails should follow.

Tirades, defamation accomplishes nothing more than inflaming the entire community.

A simple statement such as the following would suffice: "I have had past experience and it was not a good one. The issue remains unresolved, so at this time I cannot recommend them."

Just MHO.

+1 on that. I think a lot of suppliers get thrown under the bus prematurely. All but one of the suppliers I have dealt with have resolved any issue I have had. And all but the one has even been pleasant about it and I usually ended up with free stuff in the process (not what I was looking for but I thought it showed accountability and a good customer care policy)

 

[Catanonia]

Guys, I was meaning that as soon as posts with titles as xxxx SUCKS etc etc are seen then they should be moderated and removed immediately as it is not good and will cause issues.

If they OP can't post with words not to offend or cause slander then they should not be allowed to have the post remain.

This thread is another proving to be another typical internerd thread where people do not read posts, read into what they want, pick one issue and go gun for leather against it.

All forums have moderators for a good reason. History of forums has taught us this, this is why we have them to prevent such threads with these words in the body or title as well as many other things. The jesus mohammed thread is just another case of a trouble maker wanting to stir trouble for the sake of it in someone elses home. It is blantantly obvious the picture was choosen because it was in the news and caused issues. But it doesn't stop the poster from trying to defending thier ill fated position even to the site owner.........


Everyone are guests here and have to accept the rules. SJ and his mods make the rules for a reason. I personally believe they should make the rules much tougher. But that is thier decision not ours.

Now I for one am taking a side step and let you lot argue how you want to handle it all.

I have been on forums too many times to let it concern me. I can always read and take without contributing anymore. Tis a shame, but that is they way it is until things sort themselves out.

You can carry on bickering as much as you like, but you will make no difference as you have no control. Only SJ and the mods do and only they can enforce anything. Lets be all lovely dovey is great for those in the clique, but will not stop the trolls or deliberate air heads that type without thinking.

Have fun guys.

Cat

 

[JJames68]

Guys, I was meaning that as soon as posts with titles as xxxx SUCKS etc etc are seen then they should be moderated and removed immediately as it is not good and will cause issues.

If they OP can't post with words not to offend or cause slander then they should not be allowed to have the post remain.<snip>

Cat

now that I agree with

 

[Jim Davis]

Guys, I was meaning that as soon as posts with titles as xxxx SUCKS etc etc are seen then they should be moderated and removed immediately as it is not good and will cause issues.

I agree, but the mod's don't always catch posts like that until they've built up steam.

 

[frogbmth]

I truly believe that part of the problem is the supporting suppliers having their own ‘paid for’ sections. They have full control over moderation and sometimes handle complaints by firing back at the complainant or deleting the post entirely. Stats against each supplier showing how heavily they are moderating their forums would be interesting indeed. The format of this forum is interesting, a public forum with a large commercial element. What percentage of this site is now dedicated to suppliers one way or another I wonder?

[FONT="]The reason most customers have a rant is that they are upset about something. When a supplier takes another chunk out of their composure, they enrage the complainant further and often this ends up in a part of the forum where it can’t be deleted by the supplier – the main forum – and with a thread title created during a moment of anger. Its not always the case, but it sure contributes[/FONT]

 

[Brobby]

The difference between a "Troll" ..and a person discussing an issue with a product .

Someone posts a questionable post...perhaps..a "newbie"..
PM them...See where there "head is at"..
Maybe they have a ligit question or comment and have accidently touched a nerve..

or they may be just a troll or problematic...

If you are going to have a forum..let people discuss the good and the bad...
and know when to delete bogus users..

not sponsors..

Thanx..

 

[AnimeFur]

My posts are low, but well researched and thought out, I believe.
That being said, I have read many a "do not give this person business" thread,
and have looked at the nature of the issue and took with a grain of salt or under advisement. I thank you for your concern though, because I also like the people I have found here, but I think we all have our own filters on.

Flame wars happen, and the forum goes on. Mods have the ability to move posts, so trust in them, and if you are perhaps the one with a beef, use a PM and wait a few days to see what occurs. Opinions matter true, but fresh wounds spew the foulest venom.

In closing, keep it light, keep it moving, and keep it classy.