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PMI/Altria sold iQOS in US on 8/8/16, to submit MRTP and PMTA applications to FDA soon

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  1. Bill Godshall

    Bill Godshall Executive Director<br/> Smokefree Pennsylvania ECF Veteran

    Apr 2, 2009
    PMI/Altria plan to submit a 2-3 million page MRTP application for iQOS to FDA by end of 2016, to submit PMTA for iQOS to FDA in 2017, and claim iQOS is currently available in 10 cites (but didn’t say where), documenting that iQOS was sold in the US (in select undisclosed location(s)) on August 8, 2016.
    Philip Morris’s Cigarette Alternative Could Hit U.S. in 2017
    Philip Morris Readies iQOS for the U.S.

    The the only other MRTP application submitted to FDA by Swedish Match (for General snus brands) was more than 180,000 pages long. Both of these MRTP applications vindicate my calling FDA's draft Guidance for MRTP applications a "Ten million dollar truth tax" since 2012 (in my oral and written testimonies to FDA, and in many of my presentations and writings).


    Also on IQOS (marketed as "Marlboro heat-sticks" in Japan) last week, Philip Morris International (PMI):
    - reported a 5.4% cigarette volume decline in 3Q16 (as vapor sales keep increasing);
    - reported a 755% increase in Marlboro HeatSticks (iQOS) shipment volume (to 2.1 Billion units); and
    - attributed PMI's 5.8% cigarette volume decline in Japan partly to skyrocketing sales of Marlboro HeatSticks, which now have 3.5% of Japan's cigarette+iQOS market share.
    PMI.com 2016 Press Releases
    Philip Morris' cigarette shipments hurt earnings
    Philip Morris Earnings Flat as Cigarette Shipments Decline
     
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  2. bobwho77

    bobwho77 Super Member ECF Veteran

    May 8, 2014
    Ypsilanti mi
    2-3 MILLION pages!?!?!?
    The regulations, as written are flatly impossible to comply with, but I'm pretty sure that was the point.
    BTW... Given the amount of time it would take to generate that much paper, how long ago did PMI start doing this? Just how much advance notice/knowledge of the regulations did they have? How did they get it, and who gave it to them?
     
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  3. Stubby

    Stubby Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 22, 2009
    Madison, WI USA
    The contents of the deeming have been known since 2014 when the initial proposed deeming came out. The application process for an MRTP has been known since 2009 with the tobacco control act was signed into law (actually 2007 when it was first introduced).

    Plenty of time, and no grand conspiracy needed.
     
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  4. retired1

    retired1 Administrator Admin Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Apr 5, 2013
    Texas
    The company has been working on this for years.

    iQos Expands in Japan

     
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  5. bobwho77

    bobwho77 Super Member ECF Veteran

    May 8, 2014
    Ypsilanti mi
    Maybe so (I had forgotten that the MRTP process was part of the original tobacco control act) but conspiracies are so much FUN!
    2 million+ pages is still a LOT of paper. Do they really think that they can adequately/honestly review a document like that? It would almost be worth the cost/effort of producing the PMTAs for all the products a retailer like Mt Baker sells. (I know they're all from different manufacturers) just to watch their faces. You're talking about TRUCKLOADS of paperwork for each of literally thousands products.
     
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  6. retired1

    retired1 Administrator Admin Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Apr 5, 2013
    Texas
    Bear in mind, the majority of that is going to be scientific studies that they've conducted over the course of 10 years. The FDA will most likely just concern themselves with the results. It's doubtful they'll actually read through the methodology. But it all has to be on file if something crops up down the road.

    For grins and giggles, that report (taking just 2 million pages into account) would be 833.5 feet high. That's a lot of pages!
     
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  7. Myrany

    Myrany Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Apr 14, 2013
    Louisiana
    So much for paper reduction and saving trees.
     
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  8. puffon

    puffon Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Sep 18, 2014
    Florida
    LOL...they may just give them a PDF, on it's own hard drive.
     
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  9. Bill Godshall

    Bill Godshall Executive Director<br/> Smokefree Pennsylvania ECF Veteran

    Apr 2, 2009
    Since 2011, when I was urging all cigarette company executives to develop and/or buy vapor products, PMI researchers have told me they were developing a new heat-not-burn alternative to cigarettes that would likely be marketed in the US in 2017. How right they were.
     
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  10. Bill Godshall

    Bill Godshall Executive Director<br/> Smokefree Pennsylvania ECF Veteran

    Apr 2, 2009
    I have been informed (by someone who knows) that iQOS was NOT on sale in the US on 8/8/16, and that Altria/PMI will NOT be selling iQOS in the US until after FDA approves its PMTA, which Altria just said this week (in press release below) would be submitted to the FDA in the first quarter of 2017.
    Press Release

    As such, the earliest iQOS could be on sale in the US is in the third quarter of 2017
    (6 months after Altria/PMI file the PMTA), and the earliest Altria/PMI could truthfully inform consumers that iQOS is less harmful than cigarettes is in the fourth quarter of 2017 (12 months after Altria/PMI file the MRTP application).

    I was confused by the first sentences of both news articles above, which insinuated that iQOS would be sold in the US in early 2017 (before FDA approved either the MRTP or the PMTA), which could only lawfully occur if iQOS was on sale in the US on 8/8/16.

    "Philip Morris International Inc. is set to test the market for its iQOS device -- the most advanced product to come out of its multi-billion dollar push to develop cigarette alternatives -- with a U.S. rollout as soon as next year, pushing ahead even before health regulators deem it safer than traditional smokes."
    and
    "Through a licensing deal with Altria, Philip Morris International plans to bring a “heat not burn” product to the United States by early next year, according to a Bloomberg report."
     
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  11. retired1

    retired1 Administrator Admin Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Apr 5, 2013
    Texas
    And it's official.

    Philip Morris seeks U.S. approval to market alternative cigarette

    This will also be a test to see if the FDA is going to use the deeming regulation to deny everything, regardless of documentation accompanying the approval request.
     
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  12. Startle

    Startle Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Mar 31, 2012
    NY, NY
    I cannot even fathom this. Is it a flip book with one word on each page? Laid out, 2 million pages would be 347 miles long...
     
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