It's not about the kids, anytime they say that it's for the kids just grab your ankles.
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In Europe you can add
"Where is the child safe cap and mechanism for pouring spill-free?"
And then we have this
20%, sweet as mammaries, about 2" tall easy to hide with totally not appealing-to-kids colors and flavors like
strawberry colada, magic mango, fig, bubble gum, coco biscuit, licorice, cherry-banana
Needless to say we downed those at 16yo (back then it was only fig).
Can't complain though, it doesn't look like smoking.
It's a flavored sweet liqueur based on vodka. Here's the US version
Apparently you don't have the 2" mini bottles, only a 750ml, but at least they put a hat on it to deter the youths.
Apparently you don't have the 2" mini bottles, only a 750ml, but at least they put a hat on it to deter the youths.
Double or triple your order... and a liter of nic wouldn't hurt
Instead of taking the Survivalist mentality of stockpiling, I think we should be protesting loudly, with coherent, eloquent voices. This is not an accomplished fact, and we should all be sending emails, making calls to your legislators, and the White House.
Don't quit before we have begun to fight!
Think Churchill
Don't quit before we have begun to fight!
Think Churchill
Yes, this is where we start. You can't always hide. You gotta fight first. We are voters.Instead of taking the Survivalist mentality of stockpiling, I think we should be protesting loudly, with coherent, eloquent voices. This is not an accomplished fact, and we should all be sending emails, making calls to your legislators, and the White House.
Don't quit before we have begun to fight!
Think Churchill
Yeah but we don't get to vote for who runs the FDA and it's not like Presidential candidates are going to run on a platform based on potential appointees.
You can vote for politicians with a more libertarian than authoritarian platform. That's hard to do, though, because politicians pander so much.
Why do you think the two are mutually exclusive?
Then there's also the question whether the approach you're urging people to take actually constitutes "fighting" or whether it's really just begging your masters not to make the chains quite so tight, while being fully prepared means not having to wear the chains at all.
One of the problems may be that the more people having stockpiled for quite some years the less they'd be fighting for themselves. They'd be fighting for the rights of people who are now smoking or start to smoke in the future.
I swear you can read this in every forum in every language, as soon as regulation comes up there's at least one that'll immediately go "well I have mods and nic for the rest of my life I don't care what they do".
Not saying that's wrong but it's not the spark of revolution, is it.
I swear you can read this in every forum in every language, as soon as regulation comes up there's at least one that'll immediately go "well I have mods and nic for the rest of my life I don't care what they do".
Not saying that's wrong but it's not the spark of revolution, is it.
1. The stage that things are at now is a notice for a period of public comment prior to regulations being implemented. Now is exactly the time to flood these bureaucrats and politicians with comments to fight their adoption.
2. Scott Gottlieb, FDA Commissioner who has long said he wants to tear down the wall of FDA regulations he believes is holding back innovation, is in fact doing just the opposite in the case of vaping devices and liquids. He is trying to build an enormous wall of unwarranted regulatory hurdles and outright bans, driving out small businesses and innovations, costing jobs, and preventing people who would otherwise reduce their health risk from smoking through vaping.
3. Much of this effort is being done through bureaucratic gaming of language. Vaping is referred to as "E-Cigarettes" and as a "tobacco product". This should be confronted where and whenever these semantics are employed. Vaping is far more than "E-Cigarettes", and indeed "cigalike" products are basically gone from the market. Further, vaping is not a tobacco product, and this falsehood needs to be consistently exposed. Indeed, many Vapers use products with no nicotine at all.
4. The FDA is playing the terminology game to throw vaping in the same bureaucratic bag as smoking as a strategy. They are attempting to pass regulations on vaping that would not stand on it's own merits, simply by tarring (pun intended) us with the long history of tobacco smoking harm.
5. The solid research on harm reduction of vaping vs. smoking needs to be put out loud and clear, and the flimsy case made by the FDA on a few small studies about the alleged "gateway" of youth from vaping to tobacco needs to be exposed as the nonsense it is. The facts when held to reasonable scrutiny, are clearly on the vaping side.
6. The "Big Brother", "Nanny State" direction of over-reaching and suffocating regulation being pursued by the FDA needs to be called out for what it is. President Trump is strongly on record as being against such an absurd approach to government, and he needs to be persuaded that his own FDA Commissioner is acting against the President's own agenda.
Rant over - but seriously, it is time to organize and be heard now. If the Vaping Community remains as passive as it has to this point, they will have no one but themselves to blame for the outcome.
Want to take some concrete, effective action? Below are some links to do that.
The following is from GrimmGreen's YouTube video on at:
The new FDA press release : flavor ban : Get involved
IF YOU CARE ABOUT VAPING UTILIZE THE FOLLOWING LINKS AND MAKE A DIFFERENCE. ►http://august8th.org
►http://casaa.org/
►http://notblowingsmoke.org/
►http://fdaregs.info/
►http://www.r2bsmokefree.org
The Press release is below, as well as the link for leaving comments. The comment period will be opening on 3/21/18. Please utilize it. Remember to be respectful and professional. This isn't the time to call names, or say .... THE FDA ( even though were all kind of thinking it ) So stop smashing your VooPoo drag mod, and do something helpful. I have no time for .....ing or pessimism here. If you're just going to complain about how corrupt the FDA is, or talk about how no matter what we do the FDA is still going to take vaping away, then kindly leave. Get out of our way so we can change the world without you. ⇨https://www.federalregister.gov/docum...
⇨https://www.fda.gov/NewsEvents/Newsro...
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Depends what you mean by "revolution". Have you considered the possibility that letting them know, in no uncertain terms, that we will not comply, that we will not submit, and that we absolutely will not wear their chains, might be more effective than begging?
I can confirm that begging is absolutely useless, that was tried for years before the TPD and didn't interest anyone. Twitterstorms and facebook activism proved to be useless as well (who would have guessed
)Speaking out in public hearings didn't do anything either apart from you getting dismissed as "astroturf" or tinfoil hat, right to the face. We have little to no leverage and the industry isn't necessarily on our side either.
Shops here are quite happy to sell liquid in 10ml bottles, prices of a bigger amount of nic base have almost doubled. More liberal shops stopped selling unregistered devices as soon as they got sued by other shops for unfair competition. In some cases even from one country to the other, some french shops won't sell to german customers.
Veteran vapers can find ways around customs to get unregistered devices (that's basically all I buy) and high mg/ml nic base. Doing so very publicly could get you arrested, importing high nic liquid is a felony (dangerous chemicals laws), with devices usually the worst that can happen is they send it back or destroy it.
We pretty much are on a gray to black market here and that just might be what will happen in the US next. You can tell them you won't comply, but they don't need your approval to change the whole vaping scene as they see fit. It won't be impossible to get things but it will get considerably harder.
It wouldn't help anybody else either, switching smokers here are stuck at 20mg/ml max, the times where people switched with 24-36mg/ml are over. Any regulation will hit those that want to stop smoking hardest, they're inexperienced and unlikely to dive in head first into a dance around the law.
It's very hard to find the correct way of fighting back that really works, in the EU we didn't so I feel I can't give good advice there. That's a different situation though since we are a cluster
of different countries and each community had to fend for itself pretty much.Need to do both for the fix has been in for a long time.Instead of taking the Survivalist mentality of stockpiling, I think we should be protesting loudly, with coherent, eloquent voices. This is not an accomplished fact, and we should all be sending emails, making calls to your legislators, and the White House.
Don't quit before we have begun to fight!
Think Churchill
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You summarized it well, people who think that protesting makes a difference are in for a rude awakening.I can confirm that begging is absolutely useless, that was tried for years before the TPD and didn't interest anyone. Twitterstorms and facebook activism proved to be useless as well (who would have guessed [emoji38])
Speaking out in public hearings didn't do anything either apart from you getting dismissed as "astroturf" or tinfoil hat, right to the face. We have little to no leverage and the industry isn't necessarily on our side either.
Shops here are quite happy to sell liquid in 10ml bottles, prices of a bigger amount of nic base have almost doubled. More liberal shops stopped selling unregistered devices as soon as they got sued by other shops for unfair competition. In some cases even from one country to the other, some french shops won't sell to german customers.
Veteran vapers can find ways around customs to get unregistered devices (that's basically all I buy) and high mg/ml nic base. Doing so very publicly could get you arrested, importing high nic liquid is a felony (dangerous chemicals laws), with devices usually the worst that can happen is they send it back or destroy it.
We pretty much are on a gray to black market here and that just might be what will happen in the US next. You can tell them you won't comply, but they don't need your approval to change the whole vaping scene as they see fit. It won't be impossible to get things but it will get considerably harder.
It wouldn't help anybody else either, switching smokers here are stuck at 20mg/ml max, the times where people switched with 24-36mg/ml are over. Any regulation will hit those that want to stop smoking hardest, they're inexperienced and unlikely to dive in head first into a dance around the law.
It's very hard to find the correct way of fighting back that really works, in the EU we didn't so I feel I can't give good advice there. That's a different situation though since we are a cluster
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I just might order a few 55gal barrels of nic and a Thonpson .45 (aka "Tommy gun"), change my name to Scott Escobar (or maybe Scott Capone), and get rich off this mess.
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