Potential health risk?

[Discord]

I ordered a few protanks to play with (going to need to get some adapters for my V4L DAV. now I wanna find some info on how to re-wick with SS or ceramic. I hope I'm not getting in over my head!

got this link from another discussion. good info here for going a less plasticy route:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...6-something-safe-cinnamon-citrus-flavors.html

 

[jfalbanese]

RATS. I was so hoping this was another antifreeze thread. you can walk out of your house, and get hit by a bus. doesn't mean i'm not going to leave my house. breathing air is dangerous depending where you are standing. half the chemicals at my job can give you cancer. anyone who thinks they are safe?, i have to say there are a million things that can go wrong in our lives every day. focus on the absence of over 4000 toxic chemicals instead. stop worrying about small petty things. keep the people in your life close, and thank your higher power for every day we get to suffer on this earth. worrying about little stuff is an enormous waste of effort, or the beginning of the excuse you can trick yourself into getting back into the tobacco trap.

 

[SilverCloud]

No, this isn't a ZOMG I'M INHALING ANTI-FREEZE thread.

A lot of the things involved with vaping are made in china, where there is generally an unknown level of attention to health and QC. People in china prefer to buy non-chinese products for this very reason (do some google searches about baby formula in china)...

so this is where I start to wonder about how "safe" things are... my issue is not with the juice... you have a lot of options there, even making your own... it's with all the PLASTIC in these things. Plastics react to heat to different degrees... ever leave a bottled water in a car all day in the sun, then take a drink and it tasted TERRIBLE? We are directly heating fluids to the point of vaporizing either in very close proximity (the tanks / bodies of cartos, clearos, etc) or in some cases maybe in direct contact with heating coils (I have no idea if polyfill or whicks are made entirely of cotton, or if they are also made of plastic?)

I know a few premium tanks are made of glass, which I love the idea of, and most cartos are metal, but clearo and small tanks have a lot of plastic very close to heating elements. Just something I'm curious about, if anyone has thought about this stuff seriously. There's a reason people avoid supposed high temperature plastics, like Teflon, when cooking... and even teflon is rated at very high temperatures... I have NO idea what plastics are being used in ecigs/vaporizors

Just my quick ...

If pure RO bottled water has a plastic taste if it sits unrefrigerated for a while or in the sun.... it shows an ionic exchange taking place between the water and the plastic due to heating or leaching. The water now contains plastic. FACT. Or else it wouldn't be detectable in the slightest. When we vape using a plastic carto-tank, the cartomizer heats slightly thus heating the juice the entire length of the tank basically. If the tank is plastic, then it seems the same ionic exchange would take place with our eliquid as well, as it did with the pure RO water due to heating. Those who "chain vape" would cause more consistant heating versus those who take a few vapes per hour, etc...

I've had unflavored AND flavored e-juice in plastic bottles take on a plastic taste after a few weeks sitting or "steeping" in a cool dark cabinet. And it wasn't cinnamon, citrus or oil based. As a controlled experiment to eliminate device malfunction from the equation... I took 3 pre-boiled and triple oxidized SS mesh wicks, dipped it in the various "plastic" ejuices, lit the wicks and smelled plastic burning. So did my Wife and my son. Perhaps it's the nicotine itself that expediates this process? BUT then again...remember the water in the bottle. So I've reached the conclusion that plastic in consistant contact WILL leach into anything liquid, with heat simply speeding up the process. I also keep in mind that many plastics are "food-grade approved" to be in contact with DRY goods in a controlled, cool environment. As a precaution, I now mix my own organic-flavored all-VG juices and store them in glass dropper bottles. I even put my VG and nicotine supplies in glass bottles. And I only use glass or stainless steel tanks and drip tips. And to date, I have DIY ejuices that are a month old, still fresh with no plastic taste whatsoever. I've also tested these juices with my "wick test".

IMO, if there's anything that could possibly be used as aggressive fodder by the FDA or "Big Tobacco" to assault our beloved vaping hobbies, better health and success from not smoking cigarettes...it is this.

Vape on, My Friends.

Brian

 

[WattWick]

I stay away from anything made out of plastic or mystery metal.

I do encourage people to read up on polycarbonate, bisphenol and xenoestrogens before putting too much faith in plastic containers for inhale-able liquids. Or, as OP mentioned, heating polypropylene in i.e cars. Polypropylene gives off free radicals when heated, i.e in a hot car. Better scared than mutating, imo.

I might be over-reacting... but fact is I'm overall a lot happier with the non-plastic stuffs in terms of build and vape quality.

The e-cig market is starved for mid-ranged products of good quality. There's crap and there's handmade stuff. Not much in between.

The Kanger Pro-Tank and the upcoming Smoktech Pyrex DCT looks like steps in the right direction. Haven't tried neither, but I do hope they hit big so manufacturers can see there's a market for better quality.

 

[Discord]

thank you, SilverCloud for the information and tests, it's at least something in a relative vacuum of information about this stuff. I have looked more into things and am generally fine with the idea of the silica wicks, because those have a very high heat tolerance. PolyFiller and tanks, as well as the stored liquids are something I want to start moving towards "fixing" in my own setup.

 

[nerva666]

i would love to see a dentist do a study on a vaper vs smoker

 

[Bman1959]

Yes, given the choice I wish my T3 was glass. But to keeping things relative, I could still be pulling drags through those cellulose acetate filters of analogs. Nah, current T3 is just fine, relatively speaking.