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when my wife was pregnant with our son, the doctor told her NOT to quit smoking as it's really hard on the body. she started vaping instead of smoking and the doctor was all for it. hope that helps a bit. I'd have her ask her doctor but either way vaping is going to be way better than smoking if she has to pick one.
 

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I actually looked into this for a friend who was thinking of starting a family recently.

Basically the answer is "no one really knows". There is nicotine in e-cigs and that's one of the biggest issues with cigarettes and smoking, but there has been far less research into pregnancy and vaping vs pregnancy and smoking.

Some people will say that cutting down to a very few ciggies a day is better than vaping, yet others say that all the other toxins in ciggies make the chances worth it when vaping.

Basically if she can quit smoking she should. If she can't, have a look online and decide if you think the chances of the "unkown" affects of e-cigs are less risky than the known chances of smoking.

Edit: If it were me, I'd probably vape while pregnant, but cut down the nicotine in them to as low as possible :)
 
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There is nicotine in e-cigs and that's one of the biggest issues with cigarettes and smoking

Sorry I don't and cannot agree with this at all. CO, toxins and Known Carcinogens in Cigarette smoke are the biggest dangers/issues with smoking- which vaping contains NONE of . With 4- 7,000 bad chemicals and poisons in SMOKE there are clearly dangers and issues but nicotine is not even the beginning IMO . Caffeine is very similar to nicotine alone in reality as an example.
 

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Sorry I don't and cannot agree with this at all. CO, toxins and Known Carcinogens in Cigarette smoke are the biggest dangers/issues with smoking- which vaping contains NONE of . With 4- 7,000 bad chemicals and poisons in SMOKE there are clearly dangers and issues but nicotine is not even the beginning IMO . Caffeine is very similar to nicotine alone in reality as an example.

I didn't say it was the biggest, I said it was one of the biggest - which it is. Nicotine is known to cause "low birth weight, premature birth, greater occurrence of miscarriage and stillbirth, impairment of mental development and impairment of physical development."

That's excluding the effects after the child is born and has to go through withdrawals.

I do agree that cigarettes are much worse than just nicotine, which is why I said that if it were me, I'd probably vape while pregnant :)
 

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Can you please show us some evidence or Links that proves that NICOTINE (Not smoking) is associated with all these things? Thanks in advance .

I've not seen anything that remotely even suggests that nicotine alone does this, smoking sure does them(which we all know) Many OB/GYN give out NRT to pregnant moms daily which seems odd based on the above.........Again nicotine/caffeine nearly identical in the human body "affect wise" . Several studies now showing some great Benefits from nicotine so I disagree that it is "one of the biggest issues/dangers" of cigarettes (or vaping) .
 

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Can you please show us some evidence or Links that proves that NICOTINE (Not smoking) is associated with all these things? Thanks in advance .

There are a few places that say it actually - but I'll link from a uni medical site - that should be enough? Stanford and Bentham Science.

I didn't just decide that this was the case, as I said, I did my homework as I am female as well and at some point I may want to have a family myself. I battled for years to quit smoking and I can't imagine ever giving up nicotine completely, so when my friend asked for help I did a reasonable amount of research on the subject.

I am no doctor, but what I have read leads me to believe that nicotine itself is not what I would consider "risk free" in pregnancy, I do think vaping is a much safer option myself than smoking.
 

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Thx for the feedback guys...guess a docs advice wud be best.

That would be the best you wouldn't even get an answer from a certified doctor on the internet without them seeing you first. With anything medical and in this case you are talking about another person who you are essentially making a choice for that could effect them either short term or even long term it is best someone who is certified to give you an answer.

Medical sites on the internet that even have trained specialists in areas that people are asking about will even direct people to their doctor as they have no clue on your history, medical conditions, or able to run any type of test they need to verify if this is the best remedy/solution to your issue or problem.

I am sure there are lots of legal issues also for doctors who give advice over the internet or just people in general that if someone considered it legal/legit medical advise and something happened they could come back.
 

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Well from the first link, first line states:

Prenatal exposure to tobacco smoke is a major risk factor for the newborn, increasing morbidity and even mortality in the neonatal period but also beyond


TITLE of the Second Link IS

Cigarette Smoking, Pregnancy
and the Developing Fetus

Nothing "new" there...

Didn't bother to "go further" because

A.) I'm not looking for a debate or:" fight"
B.) There is clear evidence that nicotine and caffiene while not "risk free" in moderation are not "deadly"
C.) The main reason being , anyone pregnant or who may become pregnant should seek the advice of their OB/GYN after being examined I don't qualify as their OB/GYN so my opinions are not relevant .

THE very best advice of seeking YOUR Ob/GYN is solid IMO

IMO (and it IS MY opinion only) there has NEVER really been any in depth study of NICOTINE on anything, it's Always "smoking" and those effects/affects , will vaping change this IDK ?



There are a few places that say it actually - but I'll link from a uni medical site - that should be enough? Stanford and Bentham Science.

I didn't just decide that this was the case, as I said, I did my homework as I am female as well and at some point I may want to have a family myself. I battled for years to quit smoking and I can't imagine ever giving up nicotine completely, so when my friend asked for help I did a reasonable amount of research on the subject.

I am no doctor, but what I have read leads me to believe that nicotine itself is not what I would consider "risk free" in pregnancy, I do think vaping is a much safer option myself than smoking.
 

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I must disagree, unfortunately.

Nicotine IS dangerous in pregnancy. Pregnancy, especially the first trimester, is a very delicate process, and many otherwise harmless substances may be very bad for the development of the baby. Nicotine crosses the placenta, actually accumulates in the fetus, and has multiple biologic effects. There are studies linking nocotine given to pregnant animals with several issues of vascular system development, lung development, and glucose metabolism. There is very good data here.

Nicotine is category D for pregnancy (there's an exeception made for gum): that means there is positive evidence of human fetal risk based on adverse reaction data from investigational or marketing experience or studies in humans, but potential benefits may warrant use of the drug in pregnant women despite potential risks. One must assume that this has been a stretch on FDA's part, simply because smoking is so much more harmful. However, NRT probably doesn't work in women who are still smokers at the onset of pregnancy.

In fact, a recent trial was published in NEJM concluding that "Adding a nicotine patch (15 mg per 16 hours) to behavioral cessation support for women who smoked during pregnancy did not significantly increase the rate of abstinence from smoking until delivery or the risk of adverse pregnancy or birth outcomes. However, low compliance rates substantially limited the assessment of safety. " I only read the abstract yet, however.
 

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Looking around for info on this (since the subject of nicotine vs tobacco smoke is something I'm very curious about) I found this study: Nicotine Replacement Therapy During Pregnancy and Infantile Colic in the Offspring

Thought I would share it since its on topic. Also one of the few studies I've heard of that attempts to isolate nicotine from smoking - but keep in mind the study is specific to the association between nicotine and infantile colic (excessive crying).

I would talk to your M.D. and go from there.
 

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I'm sorry that i have not been "more clear" ALL drugs pose risks (especially when pregnant) perhaps this will "help" to show my main points

Caffeine and Pregnancy: Caffeine Effects on Fetal Development

ETA:

Cutting out everything with even The potential of "risk" makes great sense (but is not likely for many) NO question about that, vaping is better for your well being and health than smoking IMO be one expecting or not... :toast:
 
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Seriously ? You are asking on a forum ?

People that don't know her medical history...Just throw it up in the wind...

Ask her health care provider.

That is the only person that can make a proper recommendation on this for her.


Moving this to Health, Safety and E-smoking
 

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Thanks for posting this!

I find the numbers stated that were used "troubling" however

A total of 46 660 infants (73.9%) were unexposed to nicotine during pregnancy; 207 (0.3%) were exposed to NRT, 15 016 (23.8%) were exposed to smoking, and 1245 (2.0%) to both. A total of 4974 (7.9%) infants fulfilled Wessel’s modified criteria for infantile colic.



Looking around for info on this (since the subject of nicotine vs tobacco smoke is something I'm very curious about) I found this study: Nicotine Replacement Therapy During Pregnancy and Infantile Colic in the Offspring

Thought I would share it since its on topic. Also one of the few studies I've heard of that attempts to isolate nicotine from smoking - but keep in mind the study is specific to the association between nicotine and infantile colic (excessive crying).

I would talk to your M.D. and go from there.
 
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