Preparing for the Possible Ban on E-cigs

[dablackanarch]

Guys, I've been reading about the WHO's discussion about e-smoking and I'm just as concerned as all of you.

To prepare for a possible ban on E-Cigs, I'm offering to collect and make available diagrams, plans and recipes for building/making a rudimentary e-cig and nicquid.

Lets face facts. Prohibition fails because people are willing to rebel and ignore the stupid laws passed by power mongering bureaucrats. I will NOT allow these fools to push us further into the shadows. I already have to leave bars, stand in alleys and the back of parking lots just to protect non-smokers. I'm still willing to do that, if I continue to indulge in analog cigarettes. However, no one has proven that e-cigs harm anyone, whether you're an user or a bystander.

I'm not asking anyone to jeopardize their livelihoods or themselves. Participation in this project is completely voluntary, but will be appreciated. Feel free to email me or PM me and I will make available my email address so you can send your ideas, plans and recipes. Thanks in advance!

 

[taz3cat]

Prohibition is the mother and father of crime and volience and the goverments and do gooders never learn. There are a bunch of smart people on this forum and I bet If there is a ban you will get all the help you need.

Extracting Nic is not hard to do. Just simmer in a pot of water for a while and let seep and condence down like in the old days they made tinturnes.

We need to learn how to repair our Adomizers because equipment will be our biggest problem.

 

[Psyclown]

It's bad enough being in a US where we could be on the verge of losing 2nd Amendment rights under a rabid anti-gun president; I couldn't contain myself if I lost the e-cig too.

Unfortunately I don't have technical expertise in this particular area, so I don't really have anything useful to contribute in the way of ideas. However, if it comes to the worst you've got my full support in doing whatever good I can for your cause. Keep me in mind.

 

[Kimmiegrif]

you guys are scaring me. I thought we'd be able to get the cig but maybe not the carts or liquid with nic.

 

[Psyclown]

Everything may work out with no bans of any kind, but I find it's always better to be prepared. There's a crude but accurate Irish proverb I've always been fond of : If you expect a kick in the nuts but get a slap in the face, it's a victory.

Hence I would rather have everything in order with the assumption they could do away with e-cigs entirely just in case. Better to have the info and not need it that to need it and not have it.

 

[Kimmiegrif]

okay, well...could I be a member of this elite club. I will try and think of something to contribute. I figure there might be a close group that still can enjoy this hobby without problems.

 

[dablackanarch]

Everything may work out with no bans of any kind, but I find it's always better to be prepared. There's a crude but accurate Irish proverb I've always been fond of : If you expect a kick in the nuts but get a slap in the face, it's a victory.

Hence I would rather have everything in order with the assumption they could do away with e-cigs entirely just in case. Better to have the info and not need it that to need it and not have it.

Quoted for truth! I'm not 100% sure that there will be a ban. I think that, similar to analogs, they'll want to find a way to tax us to death and make e-smoking just as expensive as analog smoking. Any inconvenience to us would just be icing on the cake, seeing as we're nothing but filthy addicts anyway.

The best and most obvious way to protect e-smoking is to put as much information in the hands of as many people as possible. IOW, lets make construction and use of e-cigs so easy, that anyone can follow the plans to make one and brew up some nicquid.

 

[Psyclown]

I guess Dablackanarch would have to say on that, tho IMO everyone has something to contribute even if it's not initially apparent.

 

[dablackanarch]

Trust me, everyone's input is welcome. I don't care what it is. Send me ideas, plans, recipes, thoughts....whatever! If a major ban should come down, we'll need everything we know about e-smoking in order to be able to replicate the tools and materials.

 

[SANJP]

They can't ban the manufacture as long as there is a demand ! They still manufacture Guns dont they ? and look at the devastating damage they do to peoples health.

Worst case we can just buy up the millions of kits on the market and keep each other stocked up for the next 20 years ..

 

[Psyclown]

They do still manufacture guns for now. Under the Clinton administrations "assault weapon" ban (which blanketed anything scary looking, even though assault weapons have selectable fire) all import and manufacture of anything scary looking was immediatelyhalted. You could still transfer what was already there, but the limited supply drove prices through the roof. They've jumped way up again since Obama is anti-gun and people are preparing for the worst. Not technically a topic for ecig discussion, just a case where an item was made illegal despite the high demand for it.

The biggest problem isn't even really nanny govt and their pandering to health fascists, it is peoples complacency. For whatever reason, the majority of people these days just don't seem to have the passion or the spine to stand up and do much of anything.

 

[Psyclown]

Just read Lurkers thread "Why I love my Screwdriver". It looks as though these would be worth investing in for their ease of maintenance long term. Not only do all reviews suggest that they're great ecigs, but the batteries and some components seem to be common and easily replaceable. Stock up on some cheap 901 atomizers and learn a few DIY liquid recipes, and you should be able to keep one of those going even if they ban regular ecigs with all their fancy proprietary parts.

Plus it helps support small business

 

[leaford]

Billyboy's shown how it's possible to make much the same thing as a SD with off the shelf componants.

BUt if you really want a ban-beater you need to come up with a way to create an atomizer using OTS parts.

 

[sixstring]

Got a screwdriver on order, Psyclown. Waiting for suppliers to offer liquid in liter bottles.

But count me in on anything. I've been worrying about gub-mint "intervention" on this thing ever since I started with the e-cig. As T-Bob says - "follow the money". It would be utterly out-freaking-rageous if the FDA could ban our devices and leave big tobacco alone. I'm with you 100%.

BTW: where in GA are you?

 

[Kate]

The only person I've heard of trying to make an atomiser is Supersteph and she's still trying to get it right by the sounds of things. That is a real biggie, batteries and juice can be homemade fairly easily.

I think it was Jarvis who mentioned recently that we might be able to use one of those glass tube things that you heat with a lighter to vapourise cannabis.

 

[PeteMcArthur]

I still think the main danger is the banning of juice. This could be done very easily in the UK, make it a Class C drug and it's illegal. It's difficult to see how a ban on the e-cigs themselves is likely, when there are lots of sites like
Vaporisers - Herb Vaporizers Online Shop

Apart from the Gamucci, all this stuff is for vaporised illegal drugs.

Perfect DIY e-juice is the first priority

 

[PeteMcArthur]

Why can I never reply to the correct post It must be too much vaping. A post further was meant to be the last in the chain following on from Kate. Who knows where this one will end up, perhaps it's Chrome browser that isn't happy or more likely I'm an idiot

 

[Kate]

I agree that in the UK banned juice is the likely scenario but I don't know about elsewhere, some countries like Singapore have banned hardware.

The hard thing about the juice is a source of nicotine, everything else is easy peasy. Glycerine, propylene glycol and flavourings are readily available. I don't relish the thought of extracting my own nicotine to be honest, I'd rather buy it ready made in a bottle.

 

[scrubadub]

I'm not convinced that the devices would be banned in the UK. The liquid quite possibly but not the devices themselves I don't know what it's like elsewhere but in the UK there is a thriving headshop industry selling all manner of paraphernalia, including vapourisers, that is clearly going to be used to ingest certain illicit substances. There's no law against selling the equipment just the stuff that gets used in it. I don't understand why it would be any different with these things.

Edit:

Sorry Pete didn't read your post properly, exactly the same point you made

 

[efaglil]

I'd be more than happy to join too but not sure what I could offer. All the stuff I've picked up has originated from this forum.

Have you got a link? or the search words you used on the WHO site? I've been trying for "e-cig", "ecig" and "electric cigarette" but getting zero results.