Prime 15 by Halo YUCK :(

[AaronY]

Prime 15 by Halo
18 MG


Introduction
After reading other reviews. You might be tempted to buy it. Taste is subjective. But this tastes nothing like a real cig. To me. It taste like some one watered down the flavor of moldy socks. Want to read a good review of it Vapenstien did a great review of it there is also a glowing review of it on ECF. Vapenstien points out nut flavor. I like nuts but can't stand them in a vape. Maybe that is why I hate this juice.
I got this juice for free at a vape meet. I even emailed halo not noticing it on its site hoping they made a mistake in sending out a discontinued juice. Someone else Malibu. I actually liked the taste on that. So maybe I got a bad bottle or something. Anyways let this juice steep for almost a month. And it still taste terrible.
I know my review is contrary to what other people think but this juice is just terrible to me. Cavaet Emptor with this one. Dry dirty bathwater mixed with a moldy sock is all I taste.


Vapor Production Key

I am using a numeric key to represent different vapor I judge the juice to have at different wattages.

1 Weak vapor production less then a half puff of an analog cigarette
2 Defiantly not enough vapor. Less then a puff of an analog
3 Same amount of vapor as a short puff of an analog cigarette
4 More smoke then a puff but not the same as a drag
5 Same vapor production as a drag from an analog cigarette
6 Little more then a drag but no clouds of vapor
7 Just shy from clouds of vapor
8 little cloud of vapor
9 cloud of vapor
10 amazing amounts of clouds of vapor. Almost feel like you need to open some windows.


How I rate E Juice
I am vaping on a Darwin mod from Evolv. Different juices taste different at different wattages.
You can use OHMs Law to find what atomizer or cartomiser to use to obtain the the flavor you want if you don't have a Darwin. Here is a nice online calculator of OHMs law you can use.


4.2 Watts 2 sweet moldy sock taste that is dry
6.2 Watts 4 dry moldy sock taste. Almost makes me want to puke
8.2 Watts 5 hits of nice tobacco mixed with moldy sock taste watered down.
10.2 Watts 6 more nice tobacco taste with a hint of moldy socks. Still a bit dry and the taste is watered down.
12.7 Watts 6.5 warm toasty bath water mixted with moldy socks with a hint of nice tobacco


Numbers signify vapor production. They correspond to the vapor production key above.


Conclusion
People I usually agree with disagree with me on this juice. It is going in my to trade pile. If I had no juice left and was only forced to vape this. I probably would not. This juice makes my stomach turn. I would not wish this juice on anyone. But since others raved about it maybe the nutty notes are miss interpreted by me. I can''t wait to go back to vaping something else

 

[passerbyeus]

I think it taste like ecopure with dirt not for me.......

 

[melloyello]

i didnt like it either, i cant nail down what taste it gives me (maybe nutty detergent).

 

[CapableVapable]

I think it's "ok", but it damn sure doesn't taste anything like a cigarette. I can't imagine what the people who say it does were smoking (or are smoking?). Then again, I think Freedom and Torque 56 are two of the more off-putting juices I've ever tried. And Smooth 8, for that matter, so maybe Halo just isn't my thing.

 

[jwquantrell]

Nice review format. I like the numerical reference for vapor production, and stating the PV that was used. Vaping descriptions for different wattages were nice also.

I did not, however, see any reference to what you were using to atomize the liquid?? I read the review twice to see if I just missed it the first time.

Were you dripping? If so, what atomizer? Were you using carts? What carts? This is, imho, a very important detail that was left out. Juices taste very different to me in different atomizer setups.

Regards
Jim

 

[aziffel]

I have only tried 6 liquids from Halo.
They all have the same underlying taste to me.
Perfumed soap,the little purty ones that ain't suppposed to be used.

 

[AaronY]

Were you dripping? If so, what atomizer? Were you using carts? What carts? This is, imho, a very important detail that was left out. Juices taste very different to me in different atomizer setups.

Thanks I usually don't list the atties I use for review because for some juices I do more then one. For this review I used a new 3.5Ω IKV stealth atomizer. It is only 2.4 Ω instead of 3.5Ω. Think they sold me the wrong one. Tried to email them. Hopefully they remedy it because I can not justify another order if 1/5 the atties are over 1.0 Ωs off. And IKV are my favorite atties.
Usually I clean an atty in 95% everclear for two hour and use only after I let the dry for a day. I have lots of atties in LR, standard res, and HR. From IKV, SBL, Joye, and Nhaler. (don't by Nhaler. I bought there custom 11 buck atty to have it just die after 4 hours of use. Ouch right? ) In 306 510 801 and 901 variety. So I have alot of atties. Just pick a maker and thread type, a resistance, and juice you want me to try for you. But I am sure the flavors would be relatively the same.

I agree different atties provide different throat hits. Notice I did not go into that on the juice. To many atties I would have to clean after each juice. But I think the taste is close enough on all of them. But I will do requests if you want.

 

[wrigleyvillain]

Nah Halo has a really good base and while Ive only tried Freedom and Torque I am surprised by the comments here so far. Both definitely taste like actual cig tobacco much more than anything else Ive tried so far (though there are many good juices I havent yet) . In fact, the Torque too much so for my liking and think Im gonna sell it.

 

[Drak]

I'll tell you my experience thus far with juice reviews and my own personal experience:

If someone hasn't spent at least a full day vaping a juice on and off, I now count their review as meaningless (including my own), because I have found juices that I didn't like on first vape and would have given them a thumbs-down...but after keeping an open mind and giving them an extended test, I wound up liking them.
AND vicey-versey, I have vaped juices that I LOVED at first vape, but they grew old real fast...

That's happened more than once with me.
You gotta give a juice some real vape time to uncover what it has to offer and to be able to give some truly meaningful commentary about it.
And you have to be a person who has a basically open mind and doesn't come to conclusions in 30 seconds.

So based on my own experience, I feel that anyone who'll vape a juice for 5 minutes and slap up a review on it didn't really get to know the juice well enough to comment. Including me.

Calling a juice derogatory names because you didn't like it...
I call that an opinion, not a review.

Aaron, when you post a review, you are my eyes, ears, nose, throat, and taste buds.
You are taking the place of me being there and translating what you experienced as cleanly as possible to me without shading the review with opinions.

Think of it this way:
You're tapping out a Morse Code message to me.
You want the message to be clean and understandable so I get the message.
Opinions are like garbage and static in the transmission lines, they make the real message hard to understand.

I have no clue what the message of this juice was.

But I will still read your future reviews, and hope you understand what the job of a really good reviewer is, which is to describe the juice in as much intricate detail as you possibly can, leaving the opinions as an add-on color commentary feature.

 

[AaronY]

So based on my own experience, I feel that anyone who'll vape a juice for 5 minutes and slap up a review on it didn't really get to know the juice well enough to comment. Including me.

Calling a juice derogatory names because you didn't like it...
I call that an opinion.
That is not a review.

If you're just trying to be a 'personality reviewer', let me know now so I can bypass all your future reviews and count them as meaningless egotistical nonsense like so many others.

Sorry. I vaped this juice for way longer then 5 min. Where did you get that? I vaped it several time over weeks. Also usually vape juice for at least a hour before I review them. Maybe at some watts I vape a juice for only a short while because it taste burt or nauseating to me. But I vape a juice for plenty of time. The 5ml bottle is almost 1/2 way done.

Don't think I called a juice derogatory names. I was just trying to figure out what made the juice taste that way. I mentioned here and linked at my blog contrary reviews because maybe this juice just isn't for me. I am in no way trying to become a 'personalitiy reviewer' . Sorry you did not like this one. If you have the time or desire I would like to know what parts exactly you did not like so I can avoid repeating the mistake in the future.

 

[AaronY]

Both definitely taste like actual cig tobacco much more than anything else Ive tried so far (though there are many good juices I havent yet) . In fact, the Torque too much so for my liking and think Im gonna sell it.

Was torque too strong for you? Or is it something else. Ya I want to try there other tobacco juices. Hear good things about them. Just don't think they did a good job on this one. Hopefully they will go back to the drawing board before selling it.

 

[Drak]

I am in no way trying to become a 'personalitiy reviewer' .

Cool, there's just a lot of that going on, harsh comment, my bad,
I removed it as it wasn't necessary.

Sorry you did not like this one.
If you have the time or desire I would like to know what parts exactly you did not like so I can avoid repeating the mistake in the future

There was no real content in there.
By the time you remove all the grading system type and all the opinionated type,
there's very little left over for descriptive content.
All I really know about that juice is that you don't like it.

For example:
Anchorman: 'Katie, tell us what it's like over there'
Katie: Bob, this war stinks. I'm dirty and I want to go back home, it sucks and I hate it'.

Descriptive:
Anchorman: 'Katie, tell us what it's like over there'
Katie: 'Bob', it's terrible. Living conditions are squalid, I see ten-year olds around me with semi-automatic weapons, it's 105 degrees in the shade, there is no fresh food and malnutrition is rampant, the air smells like death, I can hear the enemy jets running strafing attacks overhead...there is another attack rumored for tonight, we are going to try and take refuge in the hills above the town.

One is nothing more than personal opinion, the other is descriptive observation, aimed at helping the viewer understand the situation as much as descriptively possible.

Another example:
You and your wife are on The Newlywed Game.
You stand a chance of winning $100,000. if you can get your wife to answer the question of what you have your hand stuck in (say it's a bowl of gummy bears) and you have to describe to her what you have your hand in by purely descriptive terms only.

Would you win based on the way you reviewed the juice?

 

[lauraebk]

Aaron,

I wanted to put in my two cents, for what that may be worth.

I never read your reviews before- but I clicked on this one and it made me want to read more of what you write. I think you were more than fair with stating who and how many others do like this juice. Moldy socks and bathwater struck a note with me. You also didn't just pan the juice, you actually put thought into the flavors that came out at each wattage. That takes more perseverance than I would have!

The descriptions you gave were vivid and spot on. I say this as someone who has never tasted the juice you are discussing. I hate to say "taste is subjective," that phrase gives me the willies, it is so trite. But taste is never easy to describe, and I find the most valuable reviews are the ones that go past basic flavor descriptions and give a sense of experiencing what the taster is experiencing. If you take everything subjective out of any review and leave only the objective information you don't have a review. You have a clinical summary. I liked that you had a numeric key for your vapor. It is pretty cool, I can see where things fall for you as I read through your reviews. But the numbers you assign there are subjective as well.

We all have different likes in how things are reviewed, but I think it would be a shame if you changed how you wrote based on one person's feedback. I like that Drak let you know what he would prefer- so I am chiming in with my opinion. Keep your descriptions just as they occur to you. Don't edit out the good stuff that makes me smile, shake my head and say, "Man I SO know what THAT tastes like!"

I really enjoy reading reviews that go against the majority opinion as well. I have tried over 100 juices and 10 vendors and most of these were things that "everyone" loved. I guess I have my own weird tastes, so I like to hear from the one-off opinions.

 

[Drak]

It taste like some one watered down the flavor of moldy socks.

Dry dirty bathwater mixed with a moldy sock is all I taste.

The descriptions you gave were vivid and spot on

To be perfectly honest with you, I have never in my life had a moldy sock in my mouth, or a watered down moldy sock, or know what dry bathwater tastes like either.

I guess it's great that you can use that as a spot-on reference and find a relationship there, but in all seriousness, I can't.

 

[SweetPuff]

Hey Aaron, I'm one of the people who really like prime 15, but have to say I enjoyed reading your review . I appreciate that you shared your honest opinion, and got a giggle from the sweaty socks analogy . Thankfully, I don't taste essence of sweaty socks or dirt; what I do get is slight nuttiness w/ maybe a popcorn note.

I have to agree w/ laura, why change your style of reviewing? Reading everyone's unique takes on juices is one of the things that makes this forum so interesting. I hope you keep those reviews coming. At the end of the day, ECF is kind of like watching TV, there are lots of channels, and everyone has the freedom to switch channels if they don't like the show...I for one enjoyed reading what you had to say .

 

[AaronY]

Aaron,

I wanted to put in my two cents, for what that may be worth.

I never read your reviews before- but I clicked on this one and it made me want to read more of what you write. I think you were more than fair with stating who and how many others do like this juice. Moldy socks and bathwater struck a note with me. You also didn't just pan the juice, you actually put thought into the flavors that came out at each wattage. That takes more perseverance than I would have!

Thanks. I just got approved to link here. Not sure if it went through yet. Best bet is to google my signature (ECIGJUICEREVIEW) I post most of the reviews here. But you can find the ones I don't. Thanks it means alot.

We all have different likes in how things are reviewed, but I think it would be a shame if you changed how you wrote based on one person's feedback. I like that Drak let you know what he would prefer- so I am chiming in with my opinion. Keep your descriptions just as they occur to you. Don't edit out the good stuff that makes me smile, shake my head and say, "Man I SO know what THAT tastes like!"

I really enjoy reading reviews that go against the majority opinion as well. I have tried over 100 juices and 10 vendors and most of these were things that "everyone" loved. I guess I have my own weird tastes, so I like to hear from the one-off opinions.

Thanks. Good point. I think if any one smelled a sock that has been in a conner for a week or dirty bath water they could know what I am saying. I think Drak had a good point. And I have to thanks for clarifying it. Just thinking of adding more description from it. Don't worry not going to edit any thing out. Figured more description will only help. Thanks for your kind words. Have a good one.

 

[AaronY]

Would you win based on the way you reviewed the juice?

I just started the juice review thing. I am not a writer I am a video editor Figured I should write some reviews when I wait on my camera and green screen. (Getting it for other things but I think one can do awesome ejuice reviews with that stuff )

I just spent way to much on vaping and figured might as well review the juice I get. Almost all of the juices I have bought where because of reviews. Some I am really happy with others not so much. I find taste subjective and that juices change alot based on watts, so I am going on that angle. I reviewed less then 30 juices. I have been doing it for under a month. Great points you make. Thanks for clarifying. Have a link to a review you think was done well, so I can learn from it?
Everyone has a different style of writing and describing. Are reviews I did of juices I like done better? Will try to describe more for what I taste. Thanks for the feedback. Feel free to ask me what ever you want. Constructive Criticism makes us better at everything we do? Thanks again.

 

[hisfattness]

Aarony. Another great review. As being some one who met you at the begining. I've always seen you honest and stated what you though of a juice. I know you truely try a juice before you do a review. I think you do a great job, give juices a good try and put out a great review. Thanks. Keep it up.

 

[Vapenstein]

I like this juice, but I can also see how the flavor puts some off. There is a strong nut element coupled with chocolate, and it's bound by a base that has the same kind of solvent-y chemical taste that Torque 56 has. To me it isn't one I will reach for as often as Torque (whereas Captain Jack is), but I did like it and I found the performance on par with Torque, which is to say one of the very best.

I love Halo for the most part, but I can definitely see how they aren't for everyone. Not one of their juices contains anything remotely resembling tobacco, but three of their juices successfully replicate individual tobacco performance elements, as well as any juice to date has. Bella contains a molecule that tells my brain I'm licking the wrapper of a double claro. Torque has an exhale that is cigarette-like, and Prime has an inhale that is cigarette-like when I stop thinking about the flavor and just vape it.

I think the Halo better-vaping-through-chemistry approach is a valid one, and it's certainly more creative and intelligent than the horde of vendors out there who are squirting off the shelf flavorings into base and giving the juice catchy names. Catchy name or not, it's still the same crap. Halo brings value to the community by innovating instead of replicating. I think very highly of them.

 

[Drak]

Aaron, PM me and I'd be more than happy to send you samples of both Torque and Freedom, I just got 2 30 ml bottles of each of them and would be happy to oblige.