Propylene Glycol is a non posionous Anti Freeze

[Errol]

Because of the FDA scare about ecig juice containing ingredients used in Anti Freeze it has become a dirty word. The fact is Propylene Glycol is required by law to be added to Anti Freeze or replace it in some states as it is non toxic and harmless to animals that seem to like the sweet poison taste of Ethylene Glycol.

The best information I've been able to find on PG, and VG for that matter was to search on "Propylene Glycol" or "Vegetable Glycerin" on eBay and read the product description from the vendors.

One I found of particular interest was from this Solar Energy Supplier.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Propylene-Glycol-Food-Grade-USP-Solar-Water-Heater-/350366371463?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5193768e87


1 Gallon Propylene Glycol @ $24.99
99.9% Food Grade USP Kosher
Propylene glycol is a viscous, oily fluid which is commonly used in many products. We use it as an antifreeze in our solar water heating applications. Food grade propylene glycol is safe for drinking / non-toxic. If your system fails or leaks and mixes with your water supply, there is no need to worry about the effects from drinking it in case the leak is not discovered immediately. In the case of ethylene glycol, someone drinking the fluid risks the chances of poisoning and even death.
This food grade product is kosher (see link below for certificate) and is certified for use in food products.
This can be used in food applications. It is commonly known as a food-chill inhibited food grade propylene glycol.

Propylene glycol also does not have corrosivity to metals like ethylene glycol does and it is better for the environment. It can be used as an antifreeze in many other applications such as automobiles and refrigeration.This product is commonly known as a Food Chill propylene glycol, widely used when involving foods and food refrigeration.

 

[Sophey]

Your post was nothing like what I expected when I clicked the title. Now, I'm so glad I read it. Thanks for addressing any questions regarding the safety of propylene glycol. The line that really got me is that it's safe for drinking!

I notice this was your first post, though you've been an ECF member for a long while. How in the world did you hold out for so long?

 

[G9K]

Vodka is also an anti-freeze, technically. I'm surprised that they didn't bring up the dihydrogen monoxide content of most anti-freeze, that stuff kills plenty of people every year.

Wikipedia is probably a better info source than ebay, look 'em up there, as well as on the labels of your food and medications.

 

[Creniker]

Sweet thread. Thanks for the info that newbies might read.

 

[dormouse]

Propylene Glycol is the potable antifreeze that is not poisonous to pets

Propylene Glycol is vaporized in hospitals to deliver inhaled medications, even to lung transplant patients

Propylene Glycol is what we vape

I believe Propyl Glycolene is the poison antifreeze

 

[Jeremy-WI]

Or is it ethylene glycol? It could be worse, it could be what GM puts in Dexcool

 

[Happiemeals]

Hot water and sunlight are great for thawing out ice (and keeping it off for quite a while too) =P But thanks for sharing a good article.

 

[BardicDruid]

When I used to have a travel trailer, if had to be up north in winter I could always buy some at the local RV shop so that the drinking water wouldn't freeze.

 

[oldsoldier]

I edited your thread title to make it have a better result in Google. Lets not give ammunition to the anti's that love to spread FUD.

 

[vsinner]

I was expecting a much different post.

Everytime someone mentions anti-freeze in e-liquid I foam at the mouth a little bit, yes PG can be used as one, so can vodka!

Thanks for the post Errol, with the anti-freeze mention coming up all the time it's good to have a proper post about it

 

[poetofisis]

Diethylene glycol is what they're so concerned aobut. Back when they did their testing, vaping was a relatively new thing (pfft! still is...). If you screw up when cooking up PG, you can inadvertently create DG. PG - relatively harmless. DG - relatively toxic. From what I've read, there were a lot of people cutting corners back then and making bad juice. This is where people decided to spaz the $%(* out...

 

[G9K]

I edited your thread title to make it have a better result in Google. Lets not give ammunition to the anti's that love to spread FUD.

That's better. It's probably even less toxic than vodka (or the grain alcohol in the vodka), and the guy in the camper would probably have gotten in trouble if he'd "defrosted" his potable water with a couple gallons of Smirnoff.

 

[LibertariaNate]

Vodka is also an anti-freeze, technically. ...

Why would you want to waste perfectly good vodka as anti-freeze?

 

[centraltxmedic]

Thanks to the op and everyone that commented this thread has been very informative!

 

[ukeman]

thanks to the OP..... !!!!!!!!!

 

[Errol]

Diethylene glycol is what they're so concerned aobut. Back when they did their testing, vaping was a relatively new thing (pfft! still is...). If you screw up when cooking up PG, you can inadvertently create DG. PG - relatively harmless. DG - relatively toxic. From what I've read, there were a lot of people cutting corners back then and making bad juice. This is where people decided to spaz the $%(* out...

As I recall they only found contaminates in one of 16 or 18 samples. Most wrote it off as an anomaly.

Errol

 

[Errol]

Your post was nothing like what I expected when I clicked the title. Now, I'm so glad I read it. Thanks for addressing any questions regarding the safety of propylene glycol. The line that really got me is that it's safe for drinking!

I notice this was your first post, though you've been an ECF member for a long while. How in the world did you hold out for so long?

The forum is way to complicated for me to navigate so I never got around to the obligatory 5 posts so I could respond except in this particular forum. Finally got tired of hearing/reading that ecig juice had ingredients found in antifreeze and decided I'd spill the beans and let at least a few people know that PG IS ANTIFREEZE.

Errol

 

[Errol]

thanks to the OP..... !!!!!!!!!

Is that a question? If so the OP with the dotted line under it stands for "Original Poster".

Errol

 

[Errol]

Vodka is also an anti-freeze, technically. I'm surprised that they didn't bring up the dihydrogen monoxide content of most anti-freeze, that stuff kills plenty of people every year.

Wikipedia is probably a better info source than ebay, look 'em up there, as well as on the labels of your food and medications.

Suppose I should have said eBay PG vendor were "one" of the best sources of information on Propylene Glycol. That was the only place I've found that actually stated PG was used as a potable antifreeze. Probably the best location for documented scientific evidence of how harmless PG is National Vapers Club - Meeting Place for lovers of e-cigarettes, personal vaporizers and all things "fog" producing!.

Errol

 

[MTV]

Also this experiment from the 1950's to test the germicide properties:

Medicine: Air Germicide - TIME