Protected batteries

[.308]

Ok seriously guys, this post is directed towards manufacturers and suppliers. WTF is up with the poorly designed batteries. I make all sorts of li-ion battery packs for my e-cigs now, all sizes, because frankly, the typical 180MaH UNPROTECTED batteries with the juice holes (You call them air holes, but it seems due to it's poor location, it is a juice entrance) are of horrible quality.

First, the PCB. Where is it? I'd like to charge my battery before bed and not have to set my alarm and wake up 4 hours later to remove it for fear of toasting my battery! What gives? The faster they die, the more money you get ie:return customers? I won't be buying any more factory batteries. Homemade solution that lasts 100x longer (1) vs. Factory battery (0).

Second, 180-200MaH? Come on, so now I've got a battery that not only dies after 100 charges or less, but you have to charge it 3 times a day? Homemade (2) vs. Factory (0).

Third, The juice/air hole. A hole that directly mates to the atomizer hole which has liquid on it, sometimes in it, as the battery dies, you suck the same amount of juice through, but it doesn't all vaporize. It ends up pooling in the atomizer and guess what? IN THE BATTERY. It then proceeds to clog the vaccuum switch, rendering it unserviceable unless a) it's already killed the battery itself, or b) it's all over your hands.

Homemade (3) vs. Factory (0)

Factory batteries are poor at best with the exception of the production "MOD" models such as the screwdriver, mini-mag, nikostick, etc.

 

[sMuCk_fOg]

Ok seriously guys, this post is directed towards manufacturers and suppliers. WTF is up with the poorly designed batteries. I make all sorts of li-ion battery packs for my e-cigs now, all sizes, because frankly, the typical 180MaH UNPROTECTED batteries with the juice holes (You call them air holes, but it seems due to it's poor location, it is a juice entrance) are of horrible quality.

First, the PCB. Where is it? I'd like to charge my battery before bed and not have to set my alarm and wake up 4 hours later to remove it for fear of toasting my battery! What gives? The faster they die, the more money you get ie:return customers? I won't be buying any more factory batteries. Homemade solution that lasts 100x longer (1) vs. Factory battery (0).

Second, 180-200MaH? Come on, so now I've got a battery that not only dies after 100 charges or less, but you have to charge it 3 times a day? Homemade (2) vs. Factory (0).

Third, The juice/air hole. A hole that directly mates to the atomizer hole which has liquid on it, sometimes in it, as the battery dies, you suck the same amount of juice through, but it doesn't all vaporize. It ends up pooling in the atomizer and guess what? IN THE BATTERY. It then proceeds to clog the vaccuum switch, rendering it unserviceable unless a) it's already killed the battery itself, or b) it's all over your hands.

Homemade (3) vs. Factory (0)

Factory batteries are poor at best with the exception of the production "MOD" models such as the screwdriver, mini-mag, nikostick, etc.

Yepp...Nico Stick with 3 AA nIMH 2100 mAH Batteries
= several days of kikA$$ vaping on a charge ,
up to 1000 re charges and no juice in yer switch!
I'm in heaven and not lookin' back!

 

[kocmat]

The batteries are actually protected. There is a circuit that prevents over and discharge.

 

[makdevo]

Price: external Battery 3, factory battery 0
Availability: external batterh 4, factory battery 0
Reliability: external battery 5, factory battery 0

I use ultrafire protected 14500 (AA size). I go 9 to 12 hours, all day vape on one charge.

Same battery for 2 months now, don't notice any performance issues yet.

Cost $6.50

 

[crazyhorse]

It didn't take us very long to switch over to mods. After two of our new 801 batteries died in two weeks (under warranty), I ordered in 10 x 14500 3.7v 900mAh batteries and a charger for $37 and change. Now we have about 8 new 801 batteries that we don't bother to use.

 

[Sun Vaporer]

It didn't take us very long to switch over to mods. After two of our new 801 batteries died in two weeks (under warranty), I ordered in 10 x 14500 3.7v 900mAh batteries and a charger for $37 and change. Now we have about 8 new 801 batteries that we don't bother to use.

Well said Crazyhorse---ditto here-------Sun

 

[nicowolf]

The modders are paving the way. There are one or two manufacturers that seem to get ideas from the modders here (*cough* hookah, *cough* boxmod). They are "cleaning" up the "rough edges" and hyping a new product every few months. We vapers need to start shouting "PROTECTED batteries, reliability, and non-analog appearance" from the ECF rooftops. We need just one or two to make a tidy profit from doing these things, and they will all join in. The 510 manual is now becoming THE thing to sell because we have made it lucrative (because it solves one or two of these issues we have with the other designs). Our consumer decisions, and our feedback to the suppliers who are also manufacturers, will eventually yield a much better PV. In essence, we are the beta testers. I suggest we all spread the word to our suppliers, our friends, our manufacturers, everyone that we want these qualities. I further suggest that we put our dollars, pounds, and pesos in the products that most resemble our desires for future improvements. I look for a version of the Janty Stick in the next year that will take a 14500 protected battery - or perhaps they will come out with a 10440 that has protection. I also look for one or more of the manufacturers to put out a PV with a kill switch soon. These are just predictions, but when you see these things happening you will realize that the vapers' words and decisions made it happen.

 

[sMuCk_fOg]

The modders are paving the way. There are one or two manufacturers that seem to get ideas from the modders here (*cough* hookah, *cough* boxmod). They are "cleaning" up the "rough edges" and hyping a new product every few months. We vapers need to start shouting "PROTECTED batteries, reliability, and non-analog appearance" from the ECF rooftops. We need just one or two to make a tidy profit from doing these things, and they will all join in. The 510 manual is now becoming THE thing to sell because we have made it lucrative (because it solves one or two of these issues we have with the other designs). Our consumer decisions, and our feedback to the suppliers who are also manufacturers, will eventually yield a much better PV. In essence, we are the beta testers. I suggest we all spread the word to our suppliers, our friends, our manufacturers, everyone that we want these qualities. I further suggest that we put our dollars, pounds, and pesos in the products that most resemble our desires for future improvements. I look for a version of the Janty Stick in the next year that will take a 14500 protected battery - or perhaps they will come out with a 10440 that has protection. I also look for one or more of the manufacturers to put out a PV with a kill switch soon. These are just predictions, but when you see these things happening you will realize that the vapers' words and decisions made it happen.

They can choose to market as many of whatever devices they like...
I have my Nicostyxx... THEY ARE the PERFECT vaping devices.
Now all I need is a good supply of atty's for the future...over 2 months on the same originals at this point with no loss of performance so far.
Thanks again Nico!

 

[funkybozu]

Well said Crazyhorse---ditto here-------Sun

in the same boat here. i have 6+ batts new that came back under warranty, by the time they had come i had already made myfirst mod and never thought to look back

 

[dedmonwakin]

I was under the impression that these batteries are protected. Otherwise, when the battery runs low, it wouldn't blink. Have you tried vaping on factory ecigs beyond the blinking? Eventually, the lights will cease to come on and you won't get even a moment of vapor.

The PCB is above or in the black casing often thought to be a microphone.

This is a must when dealing with li-ion's or li-po's. And these are li-po's with in the e-cigs and I will argue this till I'm blue in the face. Li-ion's-liquid filled, Li-po's-gel filled. I peeled back the wrapping of the battery tonight to confirm, green gel was there, no liquid and ammonia smell.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/modders-forum/26120-lithium-ion-lithium-polymer.html

Since these are li-po's, the reason these ecigs don't last long is because they can't be stored at a full charge unless they are intended for immediate use. Storage should be at 40 to 50% If the li-po is allowed to drain unused when at a full charge, it lessens their ability to retain a full charge.

Since manufactures charge partially, sellers often times pre-charge before sending, then we pre charge hours to days in advance before using. These batteries do not have high capacity to begin with, so this makes for a bad combo.

There is a way to resurrect the li-po, but there is far more work than it's worth. We R/C hobbyist use this method for over discharged li-po's. When li-po's are over discharged, they no longer are able to hold a charge period. In order to fix this, we hook up a rapid charger and charge approximately 2-4 volts higher than the recommended charge. 11.1v battery will be ran with 15-16 volts and repeated a few times....this is extremely dangerous( I blew up two 11.1v this way), and really not worth it for people to learn how to do, unless your in the R/C world.

This could be applied to the ecig realm, I emphasize on could. The battery would have to be purposely over discharged. Then proceed in the fashion stated above. Again, I really don't recommend anyone try this....I know how to do this and I won't try it.

 

[kgonepostl]

One of these have been on my mind
Do you realize how much a e-cig company would DESTROY the competition if they went from a 180mah battery to a already available 1000mah+ battery?

The price difference between a 180 mah battery and a 1000 can't be that different. I'd consider it pennies in bulk. The actual price I ...-u-me is for the material of the battery, not the juice inside.

YOU-WOULD-DESTROY!

Introducing the new titan. Now with 8 hours/battery.
Tell me that wouldn't give you an orgasm?

 

[WraithEater]

I am rockin with my 510 USB Passthrough. Even when you're not connected you get power from the extra rechargeable battery in the thing. It too is replaceable. LOADS of vape. I look like a total douche walking from my car to work sucking on an e-cig connected to a wire connected to a tiny box. What ever. I'm not getting cancer .....es.

 

[SandHandle]

What's a nico-stick?

An e-cig that runs on traditional Li-ion AA or AAA batteries would be so awesome! Batteries could be bought at your local store, and the profits from e-cig sales would more than cover the loss of battery sales once consumers got caught on.

 

[Papa Lazarou]

Theres plenty of e-cigs that run off cheap batteries. But not the type you buy in most stores. The common AA and AAA type are alkaline or sometimes lithium and are rated at 1.5v. The voltage isn't high enough to run an atomiser off just one battery.

A 3.7v 10440 rechargeable li-ion battery is the same size as a AAA and is used in E-cigars and the Janty Stick, for example.

 

[Papa Lazarou]

One of these have been on my mind
Do you realize how much a e-cig company would DESTROY the competition if they went from a 180mah battery to a already available 1000mah+ battery?

The price difference between a 180 mah battery and a 1000 can't be that different. I'd consider it pennies in bulk. The actual price I ...-u-me is for the material of the battery, not the juice inside.

YOU-WOULD-DESTROY!

Introducing the new titan. Now with 8 hours/battery.
Tell me that wouldn't give you an orgasm?

They could make it. But it wouldn't look like a Titan any more A 1000mah battery is not going to fit in something that resembles a cig.