Protege+501 -vs- Protege+801

[Ultimist]

I'm not sure why some of you are saying that the 801 on the Prodigy has too cool vapor and very little throat hit... Could it be the atomizers you're buying?

I started with the 510 adapter on the Prodigy... and the vapor and throat hit are good... Too harsh at 6+ volts, but good and strong at 5v.

With the 510 and Prodigy, though, I was needing to use 36mg juice to get my preferred level of nicotine/throat hit.

I decided to buy an 801 adapter and some atty's... and the difference is like night and day. First and foremost, the 801 allows me to cut my 36mg to 18mg and provide the same throat hit as a 510 with 36mg juice. The vapor is nice and warm, and what I would call "milky smooth" but with plenty of throat hit. I haven't gone back to the 510 after experiencing the 801/Prodigy combo. I save tons of money doubling 36mg bottles of juice into 2 bottles of 18mg juice.

I've found the best combo to be the Prodigy with 801 adapter and the BE112 atomizers from bestecig.com. Not only are the atty's cheap ($5 each if you buy them 5 at a time), but also they are more reliable than other 801 atty's I've tried.... and they provide that milky smooth vapor with awesome throat hit.

So, again, I'm not sure why some of you complain that the 801 provides vapor that is too cool or vapor with no throat hit. If that is truly the case, you don't have a proper 801..!

A properly functioning 801/BE112 atty with the Prodigy should provide roughly TWICE the throat hit of the 510/Prodigy... I couldn't stand the strength and intensity of using 36mg juice with the 801... which is why I had to cut my 36mg juice to 18mg with VG and PG. So with the 801/BE112 I get plenty of satisfaction and twice the juice for my money!

 

[ddy611]

That problem has been determined and fixed. So if you order know, you won't get one with that problem.

thanx scottes. does anybody know the size difference, performance, etc... using a 510 atty. torn between the two.... protege or vaprlife vp2

 

[Richie G]

I'm not sure why some of you are saying that the 801 on the Prodigy has too cool vapor and very little throat hit... Could it be the atomizers you're buying?

I started with the 510 adapter on the Prodigy... and the vapor and throat hit are good... Too harsh at 6+ volts, but good and strong at 5v.

With the 510 and Prodigy, though, I was needing to use 36mg juice to get my preferred level of nicotine/throat hit.

I decided to buy an 801 adapter and some atty's... and the difference is like night and day. First and foremost, the 801 allows me to cut my 36mg to 18mg and provide the same throat hit as a 510 with 36mg juice. The vapor is nice and warm, and what I would call "milky smooth" but with plenty of throat hit. I haven't gone back to the 510 after experiencing the 801/Prodigy combo. I save tons of money doubling 36mg bottles of juice into 2 bottles of 18mg juice.

I've found the best combo to be the Prodigy with 801 adapter and the BE112 atomizers from bestecig.com. Not only are the atty's cheap ($5 each if you buy them 5 at a time), but also they are more reliable than other 801 atty's I've tried.... and they provide that milky smooth vapor with awesome throat hit.

So, again, I'm not sure why some of you complain that the 801 provides vapor that is too cool or vapor with no throat hit. If that is truly the case, you don't have a proper 801..!

A properly functioning 801/BE112 atty with the Prodigy should provide roughly TWICE the throat hit of the 510/Prodigy... I couldn't stand the strength and intensity of using 36mg juice with the 801... which is why I had to cut my 36mg juice to 18mg with VG and PG. So with the 801/BE112 I get plenty of satisfaction and twice the juice for my money!

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The OP was looking for a comparison on the Protege, not the Prodigy. So, your comparison is at 5 volts instead of 3.7 volts.

HOWEVER, we are in complete agreement with the BE112 attys at 3.7 volts.

As I am vying to determine exactly what attys and juice to stock up on (this has been ongoing for 3 months now) I've done side by side tests with my 510 and with various penstyle attys. The BE112 hits just as hard as a 510, if not harder, given the same ultimate circumstances -- fresh batteries and identical juice. The m201 hits every bit as hard as the BE112 and has a warmer vapor. The draw is a bit tight on the m201.

I *think* when most people are talking about 801s they are excluding the m201 and the BE112 because they are not as accessible as 801s or RN4072s. The BE112 does NOT leak and it does NOT have a draw that is "too easy" -- well, it doesn't in my case as I have been able to adjust the draw with my Vapre51.

I have one more penstyle atty to try before I commit to a bunch of them to personal stock -- the Joye 302 which is sitting patiently on my desk. =)

 

[Scottes]

thanx scottes. does anybody know the size difference, performance, etc... using a 510 atty. torn between the two.... protege or vaprlife vp2

My wife has both. Protege is about 1/2-inch shorter than the VP2. Diameter effectively identical. Better switch on the Protege, pretty light on the VP2. Battery life is identical since they take the same battery. Overall, I would chose the Protege - I don't like the tiny button switch, nor do I care for the LED light on the VP2. But (IMHO) the VP2 is prettier, if that matters to you.

 

[them0nk]

I'm not sure why some of you are saying that the 801 on the Prodigy has too cool vapor and very little throat hit... Could it be the atomizers you're buying?

After getting a 801 to 510 adapter, and trying the 510 and 306 attys here is where i stand.

The 3 differant 801 attys i have are definitely a "cooler" vapor for me... the one from PS has a larger protruding peice than the others inside the atty... one thing to me that is a + for the 801 is the actual size of the cart... with either the straw mod, or putting a hole in the indent of the cup near where the mouth peice attaches to help wicking... the cart seems to last for freaking Ever before needing to be filled again. I'm waiting for a passthrough or a 5v mod... i bet the 801 *does* do better at 5v, i would think the 510 would burn the juice easier at 5v though.

the 510 vapor is much warmer to me, and a bit harsher on my throat. more flavor though. after a few consequtive puffs it seems like the atty gets pretty dang hot... and seriously i KNOW there is enough juice in there.

the joye306 atty is even warmer to me than the 510, but lasts 1/4 as long between top offs, and seems to burn the juice quicker.

I've heard that VG (haven't gotten my VG yet) thrown into the mix will help the vapor production but straight VG kills attys faster (this is all what i've picked up here at this forum...). A big factor is what juice is being used... it's hard to put a head to head comparison without multiple people using the exact same liquid, even from the Same Batch. I know the menthol juices i've tried add A LOT of "throat hit" i guess, and some others dont produce much at all... the 2 differant menthol flavored juices that i've had that were both 24mg juice aren't EVEN close on the flavor or throat hit of each other. I'm only just getting into DIY liquid (got most of my supplies yesterday). I've already somehow ended up with a cough syrup or penicillin tasting juice more than once haha so i'm definately still learning.

oh well i better get back to work... lol

 

[Ultimist]

I've already somehow ended up with a cough syrup or penicillin tasting juice more than once haha so i'm definately still learning.

lol... I too have produced some pretty nasty-tasting DIY experiments. Gotta be careful. Some flavor combos just do NOT work, lol. I hate to be wasteful, but there have been a few combos I had to throw out because I simply could NOT stand the result.

As far as menthol goes, I only like the "true" menthol juices that are made with menthol crystals. Many different suppliers make menthol with peppermint flavoring instead of actual menthol, and to me it is just nasty, especially when mixed with other flavors.

Due to the different menthol versions out there from different suppliers, I now make my own menthol juice, starting with flavorless e-liquid. I buy menthol crystals from juicyliquid.com and melt them into an equal volume of PG. Just put the crystals and PG in an e-liquid bottle, cover tightly and set the bottle in a cup of just-boiled water for a few minutes... and voila, homemade real menthol drops. For a 15ml bottle of juice I use anywhere between 8 and 20 drops of menthol, depending on my mood.

I've learned to be conservative with my DIY experiments. Make extremely small batches, and when buying flavored juices you aren't familiar with, get as small a bottle as possible in case you end up not liking it.

But yeah, making reliable comparisons is tough when there are so many different juice variations, atty variations, voltage considerations, etc...

But, thanks for your thoughtful response. And although this is belated and you've probably heard this a lot already... welcome to the vaping world.

 

[them0nk]

... welcome to the vaping world.

Thank you and i'm enjoying it so far... if you have a link to a better write up on producing real menthol juice i would be definitely interested on the exact way to measure out the crystals and such cause i used to smoke menthols... well Marlboro Smooths and want to find a way to duplicate a Marlboro smooth in ejuice... but i dont want to go taste one again lol i'm doing good!!!! going on 2 weeks without a cigarette

The other thing is i want methol drops to add because i have a pretty big bottle like 30ml of menthol that is 24mg and i want to cut it down to 18 but i dont want to lose the menthol in it ya know? i need to get down to about 18 and stay there for a while fighting the urges i get... my goal is getting to 0... if i can do that... and then still vape just 0 nic stuff... i'm golden. i'm actually puffing a somewhat weird mix that seems to be working for some reason... Rum 24mg premade (maybe 15% or less), Menthol 24-36mg mixed (left overs i wanted to use) and like 20 drops pure PG to cut the nicotine down a bit more... i think when i get the bottle down a little further i'm gonna cut it more though.

I totally made a mistake ordering the sample pack i got @ 24mg it's like it's too much... if you smoke that before bed, plan on not sleeping right away & waking up about 3 times to full awareness before you actually knock out haha. I dont think i could cut those down to 18 without killing the flavor in them.

Another thing i was thinking is maybe there is a differance in batteries at any given time... i've been puffing most of the day and part of last night on the same battery and wonder what the real output is right now... i need to borrow my dads volt meter or something to test it (of course hopefully blowing it up, i accidentally killed a REALLY EXPENSIVE one at the machine shop i worked at... really dumb they dont make them idiot proof). i have protected batteries on the way and i'm hoping they fit... wonder if they'll be any differant.

I wonder if the "adapter" i have could cause a differance in vaping power too... i have the 801 to 510 connecting my 510 to the protege... have to test that on the volt meter too.

 

[Toots]

thanx scottes. does anybody know the size difference, performance, etc... using a 510 atty. torn between the two.... protege or vaprlife vp2

I definitely prefer my 510 protege to my 510 vp2. The protege is very solid and feels so nice to use. The vp2 lights are pretty, and do let me know if the battery is working. I don't need lights on the protege because that wonderful vape hit that I get gives me all the information I need. I use them both constantly. What the heck, get them both!

 

[Ultimist]

Thank you and i'm enjoying it so far... if you have a link to a better write up on producing real menthol juice i would be definitely interested on the exact way to measure out the crystals and such cause i used to smoke menthols...

It's actually pretty easy to make menthol drops. Just use equal volumes of crystals and PG. For example, if you have 1 teaspoon of crystals, the amount of PG you'll need is also 1 teaspoon. I quickly wrote up a set of instructions for you...

What you'll need:

1 clean (empty) e-liquid dropper bottle (10 or 15ml bottles work best), with dropper tip and tight fitting cap.
1 teaspoon real menthol crystals
1 teaspoon PG
1 glass/ceramic/etc coffee mug
8 oz boiling water

Steps:

1. Put the crystals in the bottle first, and then the PG.
2. Reassemble the dropper bottle, including the dropper tip, and then cap tightly.
3. Boil about a cup of water in a pan or in the microwave.
4. Put the boiled (still hot) water in a coffee mug, leaving about an inch of empty space in the cup.
5. Place the bottle of menthol crystals/PG into the cup of boiling water, and allow it to sit in the water for a few minutes.
6. After a few minutes, carefully remove the bottle from the cup.
7. Shake the bottle a bit to make sure all the crystals have dissolved.
8. If the crystals aren't completely dissolved yet, put the bottle back in the water for a few more minutes.
9. Repeat steps 6 through 8 until all the menthol crystals have dissolved into the liquid.
10. After the menthol liquid has cooled, if it seems too thick, add another 1/2 teaspoon of PG.
11. Remember: Use the same proportions every time you make this, so that you always end up with the same strength.
12. Enjoy your freshly made menthol drops!

You can make this in larger quantities if you wish, as long as you keep the proportions the same and have a dropper bottle big enough to hold it all!

I hope this is exhaustive enough for you to understand how to make the drops..

By the way, what is a "801 to 510" adapter? Never heard of it...

Rod

P.S. Be sure to keep the menthol crystals and bottle of menthol drops out of reach of children and pets, as menthol is poisonous if ingested.

P.P.S. If you want to emulate Marlboro Smooths, check out some of the suppliers' chocolate flavored e-liquid. You might have to try a few before finding one you like... Add your preferred amount of menthol to chocolate e-liquid and you'll have something close to a Marlboro Smooth. You can get even closer if you mix chocolate and tobacco flavored e-liquids, and then add menthol...

Beware of "Chocolate Mint" flavored e-liquid though... as some of them can be pretty nasty. Certain e-liquid manufacturers are using a kind of peppermint flavoring that gets pretty sickening after a while, for some reason. Marlboro Smooths (to me and others I know) taste like chocolate menthol, not chocolate mint...

 

[them0nk]

i'm bookmarking this post for when the crystals i just ordered get here... i almost cheated and ordered the menthol drops i saw on a website but they didn't have the other lorann flavors i wanted.

i already received my 500ml of pg ... soon i'll have to order some more 60mg cutting juice (lol sounds like a machine shop oil) and i'm waiting on my original order of flavors (i just ordered even more)... which actually has chocolate in there... funny you said that... i never remembered chocolate in marlboro smooths lmfao... probably just got used to it or something...

if you got a minute check out my idea on the diy flavor forum...

 

[Ultimist]

i'm bookmarking this post for when the crystals i just ordered get here... i almost cheated and ordered the menthol drops i saw on a website but they didn't have the other lorann flavors i wanted.

i already received my 500ml of pg ... soon i'll have to order some more 60mg cutting juice (lol sounds like a machine shop oil) and i'm waiting on my original order of flavors (i just ordered even more)... which actually has chocolate in there... funny you said that... i never remembered chocolate in marlboro smooths lmfao... probably just got used to it or something...

if you got a minute check out my idea on the diy flavor forum...

Yeah, to myself and others I've talked to, Marlboro Smooths seem to have a very subtle chocolate flavor, coupled with the flavor of tobacco, and of course, menthol. The mild choco flavor lingering behind everything else seems to be what distinguishes Smooths from other menthol cigs.

Just go easy on the chocolate flavoring at first, until you find your preferred level. As with anything, too much of one component can ruin the whole batch.

Great idea on the DIY forum, by the way. I posted a reply in support of it.

Oh, there IS a recipe for menthol drops that are made using alcohol instead of PG... I just prefer the PG recipe as there is nothing to distort the flavor of the menthol. Plus, vaping alcohol hasn't been determined safe or desirable.

Then again, neither has vaping anything else been determined to be safe. (But definitely desirable)...

 

[them0nk]

Then again, neither has vaping anything else been determined to be safe. (But definitely desirable)...

Lets hope this gets proved to be safe(er) than analogs all around. theoretically it should be. if its possible to count the chemicals in vaping on your fingers and toes it has to be better compared to 4000... but i guess it only takes 1 to screw that all up.

 

[Ultimist]

if its possible to count the chemicals in vaping on your fingers and toes it has to be better compared to 4000... but i guess it only takes 1 to screw that all up.

Well, one thing is for sure... there are 40 or more known carcinogens in real cigarettes... None of the listed ingredients I've seen for e-liquid are carcinogens. This makes vaping at the very least *unofficially* safer. Plus, it is common sense that 5 to 15 ingredients is preferable to 4000+ ingredients (and all their known and unknown interactions.)

 

[jjmopar]

Could you please tell me if puresmoker sells them or if I need to buy from an another vendor.

Based on your post nevergonnaleavetn I requested my ordered of 2 full kits Protege 801-1 for me 1 for hubby to be changed to the 510 and want to purchase the adapters for the 901 and 801 attys.

Also do you know if altsmokers.com af=dapters will work on the protege?

This is a great idea and I am so glad I saw your post!

Thanks
Joanne

 

[jjmopar]

Sorry TYPO meant:

Also do you know if altsmokers.com adapters will work on the protege?

Thanks
Joanne

 

[nevergonnaleavetn]

Could you please tell me if puresmoker sells them or if I need to buy from an another vendor.

Based on your post nevergonnaleavetn I requested my ordered of 2 full kits Protege 801-1 for me 1 for hubby to be changed to the 510 and want to purchase the adapters for the 901 and 801 attys.

Also do you know if altsmokers.com af=dapters will work on the protege?

This is a great idea and I am so glad I saw your post!

Thanks
Joanne

Answered in pm, but yes PureSmoker sells the adapters

 

[NekoGurrl]

Sorry TYPO meant:

Also do you know if altsmokers.com adapters will work on the protege?

Thanks
Joanne

Work wonderfully, using a 510 -> 901 on my prodigy right now. Have also used them on the Protege, very handy to have. Waiting for their 510 -> Cartomizer adapter now.

 

[them0nk]

i have the 801 to 510 adapter from altsmoke too, it works well but adds a little bit of length to it.

 

[Kloc]

Put that protege down and get you a Prodigy. The extra voltage is great. I vape with a 901 because I like intesne flavor and a harsh throat hit. This thing pumps out more vapor then an analog and I've already gotten 3 people to buy one. Keep sending those business cards to me and I'll keep handing them out to everyone that says "What the hell is that!?"

 

[them0nk]

Put that protege down and get you a Prodigy. The extra voltage is great. I vape with a 901 because I like intesne flavor and a harsh throat hit. This thing pumps out more vapor then an analog and I've already gotten 3 people to buy one. Keep sending those business cards to me and I'll keep handing them out to everyone that says "What the hell is that!?"

i'm waiting for the prodigy v2, or thinking about making my own 5v mod... i think 6v might be too much... not sure, but from what i'm reading that is what everyone is saying...