ProVari and the Dreaded (potential) "VapeApocolypse"

[PLANofMAN]

Everything will still be available. One only has to look at the "tobacco" pipe industry to see that. Instead of Nicotine in a PG/VG base delivery devices, they will be "PG/VG delivery devices" The real question is whether the e-juice industry would survive. If the most drastic regulations came down, e-juice would probably have to be sold without nicotine. Raw nic liquid would probably still be accessible, so we would all have to become to some extent, DIYer's. If that wasn't available, I would buy nicotine patches and distill the nicotine from them.
I've been considering purchasing one of these Welcome To Tamisium Extractors - High Performance Butane Extractors to experiment with WTA extraction (once I save up for a year or two), but if worst came to worst, I would use it for nicotine extraction. There's cheaper extractors, but none I would really trust for something like this.

 

[jfalbanese]

they will be fine as soon as they are taxed and regulated.

 

[donnah]

I worry about provape shutting down. All I use are provaris and what will happen if/when they need service?

 

[Plumes.91]

I doubt provape will shut down though. They have such an investment in the ecig industry.
I'm sure they have what it takes to survive in the quasi legal after-reg market.
They will adapt like other businesses with high demand for their product.
Flashlights, Propylene Glycol Vaporizer, hand held fog machine, what have you.
However there might be less demand and prices could go up to maintain current profit margin.

If the FDA goes full monty I would disagree about flavorless nic liquid being available.
What they would most likely do is categorize nic liquid as a tobacco product.
Proper licensing would/might be required to sell nicotine as a liquid substance.
The businesses with enough funds would be the tobacco organizations.
Might be wrong to be saying this but the FDA is sometimes thought to be in the business of aiding monopoly.
The ideal situation for the lobbyists would be what? The licensing being extremely expensive/difficult to obtain.
I could easily see a future where the only nicotine within the margin of legality would be from Blu, Njoy, etc.
And since they are in the business of maintaining customer base, I can see prefilled cartos being the norm.
Juice bottles could go extinct all together in the worst case scenario.
And if you really want to think doom and gloom, if prefilled cartos are the future of e-liquid sales...
The big hitters, such as Blu, Njoy, etc.. Could easily switch their 510 connections to proprietary.
Which would put our current mod's 510 connections into obscurity and obsoletion.
This would force the majority into using the proprietary batteries, thus completing the big corpa monopoly.

As for extracting nicotine from patches, I've definitely thought about that...
But right now I dont know of any accurate way of measuring nicotine content scientifically.
Other than by measuring the solution itself... But at what rate and % does the nic enter the solution?
Theres information around the web but as far as I know its in its infancy.
I'm sure if this apocalypse came true, this forum would be popping with chemist talk.
Hopefully it doesn't come to this. We really need to be aware in April and be ready to do all we can.

 

[PLANofMAN]

There's a thread on the aussie forums that talks about it. For a full strength patch (24mg., I think), there's 150 mg. of nic. in it. It's not hard to extract. the hardest part is getting rid of the adhesive, but it's doable.

 

[hausmouse]

This thread is making me think "Doomsday Preppers" spinoff "Vapeocolypse Preppers"

 

[Thompson]

There really is no functional difference between most PVs and a flashlight; they both hold batteries and feed the power from them to a connector on one end. Create a bulb socket that screws into a 510 connector, and what is a Provari? A flashlight with a dimmer. I just don't see any feasible way a device like that can be outlawed.

I've actually seen a 510 LED flash light head.

Then I realized you'd have to hold the button down constantly to use it.

I then figured its a horrible idea, but it can be done. haha

 

[PLANofMAN]

Out of curiosity, those who have done it before, where have you purchased your liquid nicotine from? Sources?

10 ml, 30 ml, 120 ml, 240 ml, or 1 liter Unflavored e-liquid for mixing e-liquids - $4.50 They are about 45 minutes away from me.

 

[Kemosabe]

I personally don't see the devices being regulated.

There are plenty of glass accessories for that bad stuff for sale everywhere online & in stores. Federally illegal, still acquirable.

So, I guess I'm saying I don't think Provape is going anywhere nor will they stop offering repair.

I'll eat my hat if they do.

Faxed in on the Mojo Wire

i sure hope youre right. ecig companies would have to fully shift and call themselves flashlight companies. not impossible, but im sure ther eis some red tape.

the other glass smoking devices that youd think would be outlawed are easily claimed to be tobacco pipes. the differences between tobacco pipes and "other" pipes are very very minimal. we would have to push the flashlight thing very hard to gain any ground, IMO. we might even need to have a 510 threaded light, which do already exist. then again that might be overboard. heck, this whole thing might be overboard, but i aint gonna lie. its extremely concerning to me.

Yes, I guess the only problem would be juice. If you have enough devices, you will always be able to get batteries, kanthal and wick for your vivis or other rebuildable heads. I have plenty of the above. I was wondering I haven't made my own juice in about 2 years and I still have 2 35ml bottles of pg based 60mg nicotene. It's been stored in a cool dry dark environment. I wonder if it's still any good?

if your nic is 2 years old and stored the way you describe, my guess is that its lost less than 6mg/ml, based on the following. madvapes had (has?) a study going on demonstrating how your nic keeps over time based on how you stored it. if you kept it sealed, away from light, and away from heat, youll only lose a small percentage of your nic concentration. the nic degrades over time. im not sure at what point the nic would be unusable, if at all. it appears to me that all thats happening is your nic% drops over time. i doubt any microbes grow in the nic/PG/VG, creating spoilage but im sure anything is possible especially if the solution becomes contaminated from an outside source.
Nicotine Concentration Over Time / Mad Vapes Blog

 

[PLANofMAN]

PG is antibacterial, so I doubt it too. I know people who have had nicotine stored in their freezer for 5 years with no ill effects, other than a slight darkening of the liquid. PG/VG can last almost indefinately, it's the organic nicotine that starts to decay. Freezing it virtually stops that process though.

 

[-iD]

If it hasn't changed color its probably fine. If its turned dark, its probably still fine nic and micro wise but may taste like feces.

Freezer is better than "cool", most important is full dark bottles to minimize oxygen and light damage.

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[serenity21899]

Out of curiosity, those who have done it before, where have you purchased your liquid nicotine from? Sources?

http://www.ecigexpress.com/

 

[Plumes.91]

Yup I have vaped juice that was 5 years old. Got it as a sample from a weird juice vendor that ran a contest here a while ago. Picked it out myself. It was dekang flu cured and it tasted like sour flu cured e-liquid. In fact I just put some in an atomizer this morning because I was tired of the sickeningly sweet wintermint I have been using in it. Flavor can degrade but its still got nicotine in it. I vape 12mg usually, the flu cured is 18, and at 5 years old it still gives me a 1st vape of the morning buzz. Doesn't taste great though. On the other hand I had some 2 year old vanilla that tasted great to the last drop.

 

[PLANofMAN]

If it hasn't changed color its probably fine. If its turned dark, its probably still fine nic and micro wise but may taste like feces.

Freezer is better than "cool", most important is full dark bottles to minimize oxygen and light damage.

tap'd on my Google Galaxy Nexus

The darkness occurs as the nicotine decomposes, so yeah, a really dark nicotine solution will taste like decayed plant and swamp water. 100% agree about the dark bottles. Look for the dark amber/brown ones.

 

[Kyndcookie]

Good lord.

When I discovered ECF and vaping I stopped hanging out on gun forums (my other main hobby). I guess it was just wishful thinking that I could avoid hoarder discussions...

 

[garyd]

If it hasn't changed color its probably fine. If its turned dark, its probably still fine nic and micro wise but may taste like feces.

Freezer is better than "cool", most important is full dark bottles to minimize oxygen and light damage.

tap'd on my Google Galaxy Nexus

Well it's not clear anymore just a very slight light brown tint to it. So I guess it may be ok still or maybe not. May have to make up a small batch of something to find out. Also the flavorings I have are a couple years old too, stored the same way, most from the perfumer's apprentice, don't even know if they're still in buisness.

 

[Kemosabe]

Well it's not clear anymore just a very slight light brown tint to it. So I guess it may be ok still or maybe not. May have to make up a small batch of something to find out. Also the flavorings I have are a couple years old too, stored the same way, most from the perfumer's apprentice, don't even know if they're still in buisness.

my opinion is that your nic is still good. id mix a small sample batch to see whats what. the flavorings are probably also still good, although emailing TPA might be worth it. if you have Sweet Cream flavoring or something with organic material in it, that might have soured. give your flavorings a whiff. TPA is still in business, going strong AFAIK. They did segment their flavorings away from TPA into a sub group called TFA (The Flavor Apprentice).

you bring up a good point about flavorings. i wonder if we should be storing them in the fridge. i have some over a year old..now im starting to wonder if my flavorings are still good...

 

[jimmyh]

They will go after the nicotine, that's where the money is.

 

[XeniaMike]

It helps if you think of the government as a vagrant pick-pocket or thief. They approach every situation thinking "how can I get money from this" first and foremost. Using that as a basis, I think everything will be available, as a greatly increased price of course. Those shrimp on treadmills don't just run themselves, and I'm sure there's a weevil somewhere that we need to study.

 

[thymetraveler]

Speaking of the vapocalypse, my aw18350 charger up & died 3 weeks ago. I'm getting by with an ego, but not pleased about it.
I've checked everywhere I could not find 18350 chargers in stock. Any leads would be profoundly appreciated.