I actually preferred the P3 cap for a couple reasons. One, it was 22mm so atties would not overhang. Two, those beauty rings used with the beveled tops were cheesy (loose n wobbly). And they interfered with the connection. I was forever fiddling around with the ring and positive post to make contact. I was glad to see those beveled tops go. Where the bevel tops shine is when you have the smaller diameter atties. For example, the kayfun Mini V3 is perfect on the beveled Provaris (among others back in the day). No need for the cheesy ring. Very sharp!
I had always wished from the get go that my Ti's had slant tops on them, when the Kabuki came out my Ti 2.5 and my first P3 would not make contact with the coil due to both having overly deep set center pins...Davids response was to " try to take some pliers and gently pull the pin up a bit". Then he said I probably used a too long pinned attie on themI then explained my method of ALWYAS using shims to take up the gap so I wouldn't mash the center pins...a practice I developed back when I was using a LavaTube and an MVP3...' that is when he prompted Zen to come into the Kabuki thread and try to address the issue which I had been outspoken about on the forum. Zen, at that point, redesigned the way he cut the threads on the Kabuki from then on to set the coil a little deeper into the base. I didn't like the "new and improved" top cap set up from my very first impression of them.
I remember that well, E, and it was my first "notice" that something might not be quite as it was being presented (with the "New & Improved!" caps). Your patience was admirable, and we were all glad that it finally got straightened out. I give you credit for now blowing a fuse.
The actual ProVape rings work fine for me, the large majority of the time (not without exception). They give me less trouble than the P3 caps though, by a fairly wide margin too.
Vaping. It's like Springsteen.
I have no doubt we all experienced different levels of success/failure with those beauty rings. The tolerances in the rings, beveled tops, and positive pins results in these varying degrees of success/failure. I have known many P2/2.5 owners and saw many who had nary an issue and others who were constantly fighting those rings. Some were more fortunate than others and would explain the diverse opinions. I happened to be on the negative side of the experience. I think as the larger diameter atties became more popular we were bound to see more complaints about the beveled top. I suspect ProVape saw the same thing coming and one of the major reasons for the P3 design. I also believe ProVape tried revamping the the vape industry by attempting to change the connection from the smaller. less reliable 510 connection with the larger, more stable P3-sized connection. It was a nice notion but they simply did not have enough pull to make as large a change as that would have been. Though I maintain a larger connection than a 510 would be beneficial.The actual ProVape rings work fine for me, the large majority of the time (not without exception). They give me less trouble than the P3 caps though, by a fairly wide margin too.
Vaping. It's like Springsteen.
Amazingly resilient, those skinny little 510's have been. They're like ....-roaches in the Bronx. They will not be defeated.
- KR808
- Go-Go
- Z2 (and everything Zen thought of almost every day of his life)
- ...
The list could go on, as we know, but apparently "510" has hired the best lobbyist money in town?
Who knows. All I care is my stuff
works, and everything is compatible with everything. 
And as less-than-optimal 510 connections are, the compatibility benefits are enormous to be sure!Amazingly resilient, those skinny little 510's have been. They're like ....-roaches in the Bronx. They will not be defeated.
- KR808
- Go-Go
- Z2 (and everything Zen thought of almost every day of his life)
- ...
The list could go on, as we know, but apparently "510" has hired the lobbyist money in town?
Who knows. All I care is my stuff
Anything that improves connectivity (stabilizing resistance) is especially good for Temp Control users.
I think Zen's probably the last great hope in that area, and I wonder if he'll even bother trying again. If I recall, he was a large influencing factor with ProVape's P3 connector. At some point it's reasonable to expect that folks will simply accept that McDonald's as substandard as they are, will probably stick around for a while.
Temp control. THANKS FOR THE REMINDER! I need to crank up my AC today.
I sure wish someone would snap up that GMZ with the beveled cap. I've only got one of those, and I'm sorry but I much prefer them to the P3 caps. The P3 ones are much more finicky for me, and if I could turn back the clock, I'd never have sent the ones that I did in for the "upgrade".
Lessons learned.
Retaining self control...
If you are talking about the one in the bay, $85.00 is not really a bad price.
I never had any of those conversions done, I was using Kayfun lites, with the SvoeMesto cone adapter thingys. I did not need to convert anything using those.
KAS
There are simply too many atty makers out there to make any standards changes. If it were a small community it might be able to change. Or perhaps a very large community. And it's not like the 510 is horrible or anything. It's just less-than-optimal. I think if we had started vaping with larger atties back in the early days we would have seen a larger connection. Precedence is everything.
YOU have BATS in your house? Burn it down. Don't look back. Tell the insurance company it was a "pest control incident."
I'd love to talk caps and all, but really I have so little experience. I will say I am happy I got to 510 connected Kabukis and Radii... They're never moving from that space. It's perfect... For me anyway.
I feel cruddy. Once I finish coffee it's gonna be the mad note writing incident, then the mad cleaning incident. Husband gets here at some point today
Thank goodness because the dog is stress eating as he pines for/prepares to go find his owner.
I am too, but the dog is WAY better at it. I'm just letting him at this point. I mean, if it works, it works. Dog has accepted me as his "current" human and we interact. It's jus that neither of us love it.
I am plumb EXHAUSTED. But, also ready to clean. Heh.
Notes, not so much but they will happen. Our note software is being "worked on" from 7 pm last night. Our IT really sucks and I say that with fervor. I would not be shocked (or unhappy except oh, well I would) if it was not up until Sunday night or something.
They were supposed to give us all new phones over a MONTH ago. Still no business card.
Anna
I'd love to talk caps and all, but really I have so little experience. I will say I am happy I got to 510 connected Kabukis and Radii... They're never moving from that space. It's perfect... For me anyway.
I feel cruddy. Once I finish coffee it's gonna be the mad note writing incident, then the mad cleaning incident. Husband gets here at some point today
Thank goodness because the dog is stress eating as he pines for/prepares to go find his owner.
I am too, but the dog is WAY better at it. I'm just letting him at this point. I mean, if it works, it works. Dog has accepted me as his "current" human and we interact. It's jus that neither of us love it.
I am plumb EXHAUSTED. But, also ready to clean. Heh.
Notes, not so much but they will happen. Our note software is being "worked on" from 7 pm last night. Our IT really sucks and I say that with fervor. I would not be shocked (or unhappy except oh, well I would) if it was not up until Sunday night or something.
They were supposed to give us all new phones over a MONTH ago. Still no business card.
Anna
If you are talking about the one in the bay, $85.00 is not really a bad price.
I never had any of those conversions done, I was using Kayfun lites, with the SvoeMesto cone adapter thingys. I did not need to convert anything using those.
KAS
That's the one.
I seem to remember some comments about Provapes P3 connector and the threading that they choose to use being a custom thread per inch, and not any standard tap on the market could cut the threads. 
Why in the world did they choose a thread that was so hard to reproduce, has always bewildered me. It was the main reason that very few atty makers made a P3 threaded tank, they had to make custom taps & Dies in order to produce them. If they had just made it a standard metric thread, I think the P3 would have been accepted worldwide.
KAS
Why in the world did they choose a thread that was so hard to reproduce, has always bewildered me. It was the main reason that very few atty makers made a P3 threaded tank, they had to make custom taps & Dies in order to produce them. If they had just made it a standard metric thread, I think the P3 would have been accepted worldwide.
KAS
I don't know KAS. I think SVM and Kabuki were the only ones to offer a P3 connection. Someone can confirm as I'm not sure. I know there were 510 to P3 adapters which defeated the purpose. It was a failed attempt.I seem to remember some comments about Provapes P3 connector and the threading that they choose to use being a custom thread per inch, and not any standard tap on the market could cut the threads.
Why in the world did they choose a thread that was so hard to reproduce, has always bewildered me. It was the main reason that very few atty makers made a P3 threaded tank, they had to make custom taps & Dies in order to produce them. If they had just made it a standard metric thread, I think the P3 would have been accepted worldwide.
KAS
There was a time that I was hopeful for the GoGo threads (see Steeljan below), but they too got killed off by the Proprietary Virus.
I seem to remember some comments about Provapes P3 connector and the threading that they choose to use being a custom thread per inch, and not any standard tap on the market could cut the threads.
Why in the world did they choose a thread that was so hard to reproduce, has always bewildered me. It was the main reason that very few atty makers made a P3 threaded tank, they had to make custom taps & Dies in order to produce them. If they had just made it a standard metric thread, I think the P3 would have been accepted worldwide.
KAS
I'd like to think that but the power thing seemed to have really hurt them too. That's why we saw the Procyon, but the reputation had been knocked hard by that point.
Then the legal stuff hit, and it was done. I never blamed them for blowing it up, and I never will.
Grateful for what I/we've got. For sure.
Same here. I would undo it if I could.
I wish I had more ProVape rings so I could throw out the others. Instead I save them just in case, but only actually use the couple of ProVape rings that I have.
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