Prue Talbot conducts study on ECF posts, grossly misrepresents facts
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Wow! I wonder what the statistical correlation between people who post wild, extreme/severe health impacts in the medical sections of prominent e-cig forums - and people who only post same, and are never heard from again. Hmmm
Unless I missed the just of her take, seems she was analyzing cartomizers, a specific hardware item utilized, not any complete encompassing study on the field of e-cig'ing as a whole, or the exact effects of any particular aspect of it.
Easy fix ... redesign the cartos to prevent these metals and whatever nanosubstances from entering the body. If this study was to denounce e-cig'ing as a whole because of 1 particular device category, then I call it slanted research indeed .
Easy fix ... redesign the cartos to prevent these metals and whatever nanosubstances from entering the body. If this study was to denounce e-cig'ing as a whole because of 1 particular device category, then I call it slanted research indeed .
Come now folks...we all know how these "studies" work:
1) The "Researcher" gets funded by"XYZ" Corp. (or Government entity).
2) First question from "Researcher" : 'What results do you want to see?'
3) "Researcher" goes off and gathers data to support XYZ's position
4) Publish data
5) Party and hand out prizes & bonuses
Works the same with the Gubmint & the Media.....
1) The "Researcher" gets funded by"XYZ" Corp. (or Government entity).
2) First question from "Researcher" : 'What results do you want to see?'
3) "Researcher" goes off and gathers data to support XYZ's position
4) Publish data
5) Party and hand out prizes & bonuses
Works the same with the Gubmint & the Media.....
I guess that proves anecdotal evidence is now approved for science based evidence. Is this what Obama promised in Change? Is this all part of the concerted effort as we approach April 1st?
There's a huge amount of anecdotal evidence that e-cigs work, and that any health risks are not only minimal, but they're less than many FDA approved products...i wouldn't mind at all if that evidence was taken into account.
Here's one of Prue Talbot's Univ of Calif pseudo-science garbage study
posted here on the ECF back in 2010
Another awful Prue Talbot study
Like I mentioned earlier ...
The Lying PRUDE has been around for some time
and she knows the truth .. doesn't care ... but she knows the truth
posted here on the ECF back in 2010
Another awful Prue Talbot study
Like I mentioned earlier ...
The Lying PRUDE has been around for some time
and she knows the truth .. doesn't care ... but she knows the truth
always nice when they read noob posts from people who are hypochondriacs and assume everything that they feel is vape related,heck the "posts" they are referring to are probably written by them or there cohorts.
Respectable scientist? Hardly. Good science? Absolutely not. Like many other things today, a significant amount of "scientific study" has been reduced to trashy tabloid news and state controlled media reports. How can the assertion of "Doctor Diagnosed" even be honestly made? The simple fact that someone claimed their doctor told them something isn't necessarily true. How many of those posters actually saw their doctor? Many of them start out by stating that they cannot afford to go to the doctor. How many actually got the diagnosis they claimed to have been given? Pure rubbish without basis in fact, and all too common these days. Perhaps she got much of her data from this classic (and oh so full of highly studied medical data) thread....http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/health-safety-e-smoking/52780-why-have-my-farts.html
As for the metal being present in cartos, perhaps more testing SHOULD be done. Preferably by a respected, unbiased laboratory. If some companies are producing materials that have the potential to harm consumers, they should be outed in the findings and consumers can choose who to purchase from. I am beyond tired of being treated like a child who needs the government to tell me what to do in every aspect of my life. Give me the available UNBIASED information, and I will make my own decisions and face my own consequences (good or bad). I was granted the absolute right to liberty and the pursuit of happiness at my birth. You were NOT granted the right to decide what that should be, or usurp that right because it makes you unhappy.
As for the metal being present in cartos, perhaps more testing SHOULD be done. Preferably by a respected, unbiased laboratory. If some companies are producing materials that have the potential to harm consumers, they should be outed in the findings and consumers can choose who to purchase from. I am beyond tired of being treated like a child who needs the government to tell me what to do in every aspect of my life. Give me the available UNBIASED information, and I will make my own decisions and face my own consequences (good or bad). I was granted the absolute right to liberty and the pursuit of happiness at my birth. You were NOT granted the right to decide what that should be, or usurp that right because it makes you unhappy.
The study wouldn't even qualify as "scientific proof" because it's all hearsay. It would never stand in a court of law. If Dr. Talbot were to present it for "peer review" (which is the only way any results are worth dissemination to the medical and scientific community) it and Dr. Talbot would be laughed out of the process.
It is nothing but junk science, and yes she and her staff are most likely being subsidized by grants through UC Riverside. It definitely does NOT and SHOULD NOT hold any water in the scientific community.
It is nothing but junk science, and yes she and her staff are most likely being subsidized by grants through UC Riverside. It definitely does NOT and SHOULD NOT hold any water in the scientific community.
Classic Python - Apr 2, 2009
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Don't know who has funding Talbot's most recent so-called studies, but her previous research on e-cigarettes was paid for by California taxpayers.
Nothing like wasting tax dollars to misrepresent the evidence about e-cigarettes and urge FDA to ban the products, while simultaneously claiming to be a consumer advocate (who is concerned about the health of e-cigarette consumers).
Don't know who has funding Talbot's most recent so-called studies, but her previous research on e-cigarettes was paid for by California taxpayers.
Nothing like wasting tax dollars to misrepresent the evidence about e-cigarettes and urge FDA to ban the products, while simultaneously claiming to be a consumer advocate (who is concerned about the health of e-cigarette consumers).
I am in driving distance of UC Riverside, which is to say about an hour away.
Is there anything productive I could do if I were to drive up there?
Keep in mind, I am also willing to drive up there to do something non-productive.
It might just make me feel better.
Is there anything productive I could do if I were to drive up there?
Keep in mind, I am also willing to drive up there to do something non-productive.
It might just make me feel better.
I am in driving distance of UC Riverside, which is to say about an hour away.
Is there anything productive I could do if I were to drive up there?
Keep in mind, I am also willing to drive up there to do something non-productive.
It might just make me feel better.
Sent you a PM with my suggestion....
It doesn't matter if it is hearsay, Some ANTZ will get a hold of it, Quote it, and use it as Gospel. The same way the media has done with the e cig industry. We heard it was bad for you so lets print it without facts.
Yeah, that would be one of the non-productive things I was thinking of.Sent you a PM with my suggestion....
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