How does switching the negative side of the circuit instead of the more protected positive centre pin make the mod hit harder?
PSA: Cherry Bomber mech box mod is just that.. A bomb. Do not use.
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Strange & Enlightening,
My Hollowpoint Hits like a Steam-billowing Freight Train. Yet,,,, it doesn't possess the Advanced User "Sweet Firing" Feature.
So does my El Cabron Balayong mod. But, it's devoid of the Advanced Sweet Firing Option too.
Matter of fact, I suppose none of the Fire-Breathing Dragon Mechs I ever owned was "blessed" with that nifty & necessary hidden Feature either.
Depressing.....
My Hollowpoint Hits like a Steam-billowing Freight Train. Yet,,,, it doesn't possess the Advanced User "Sweet Firing" Feature.
So does my El Cabron Balayong mod. But, it's devoid of the Advanced Sweet Firing Option too.
Matter of fact, I suppose none of the Fire-Breathing Dragon Mechs I ever owned was "blessed" with that nifty & necessary hidden Feature either.
Depressing.....
The copper contacts are shorter and larger. I guess its easiest to explain if you are familiar with the Dimitri mechanical box, which is similar. The Dimitri is a positive-switched aluminum box that hits hard too, but it requires the current from the batteries to use a longer distance of travel before reaching the atomizer. I could find a diagram to show it to you, but I just don't feel like it right now.
The Cherry Bomber has a very short connection to the 510 pin on the atomizer. Its basically top of the battery to 510 pin, like on a standard tube mech, except with a much larger contact. But the large negative pin is in contact all the time as well. The batteries are held in there tightly with very short copper connections. Its less distance for the current to travel so the mod has lower resistance. All contacts are also huge.
MCV knew how it worked when they designed it, thats why they had to put the double insulators on the atomizer connection to prevent it from shorting. They could have decided it was top priority to have saftey for new vapers who don't know how to use a mod like this and so they could have made the box plastic and used a wire to run from battery negative. Or they could have made it wood. I have a negative-switched wood box that works by running a wire from battery negative. But MCV didn't want to do that. Trade-off safety measures to make the mod stupid-proof for new vapers was not on the priority list... this mod is not designed for beginner vapers anyway... it was designed for enthusiasts. They wanted the top priority to be low voltage drop and so they designed the box to be metal (with insulators for the atomizer)... in my case, its solid copper.
TL;DR : its just about space to place stuff and make the large copper contacts as short a length for current to travel as possible.
So this entire PSA thread was started by someone who hasn't owned, or personally attempted to short the atomizer with one installed? REALLY!? I'm honestly quite curious now, since there are multiple people jumping in on this...Of the people in here who are stating how dangerous it is, who actually owns one?
I've got one and I don't even like it for other reasons so I'm sitting here now trying to re-create something a stupid person would do. I've got two batteries in it, a very low build on it and I've got it in my pocket whilst I throw change, my keys and anything else I may carry every day with me in there. Guess what? It doesn't fire. As a matter of fact, I can stack my change and keys on-top of the mod in my pocket and it doesn't fire. You actually have to press fairly hard to complete the circuit, and with certain RDA's the circuit never gets completed because of the large air gap
The reason I'm asking if you own one is simple, you would know how specific you have to be to get it to actually do the auto-fire "flaw" and it's not as simple as something leaning up against it
OK, so what is the difference in voltage drop with say the dimitri box and the cherry bomber?
Fair enough. I guess I just dislike this because I dislike the box form factor in general.
Nyiddle, it is clear you don't like this mod. So just move on. You aren't sharing anything we don't already know and many, myself included, just don't agree with you. And that isn't a problem - having an opinion is a good thing.
I am a fully qualified electronic engineer and I can tell you that this is not a "dangerous device". Why? Because you have to bring in another object to cause the "fault". If bringing in something else was considered in every product half the products would never get to shelves. Take water for example.
The mod is clearly not for you and like Ninja said, this is for advanced vapers only. If you want to take issue, take issue with those not stating "for advanced vapers only", not for the design itself.
I am a fully qualified electronic engineer and I can tell you that this is not a "dangerous device". Why? Because you have to bring in another object to cause the "fault". If bringing in something else was considered in every product half the products would never get to shelves. Take water for example.
The mod is clearly not for you and like Ninja said, this is for advanced vapers only. If you want to take issue, take issue with those not stating "for advanced vapers only", not for the design itself.
Its not really a fair comparison since my CB is copper, but I did just test it using a .07 ohm test build.
Dimitri had voltage drop of 1.11 volts.
CB had voltage drop of .44 volts.
This is using the same batteries and same atomizer on both mods.
My son and I both have Bombers. And because we are rednecks we tried to get it to autofire. I don't drink but its a hold my beer and watch this thing.
I'm afraid it wasn't possible. Some very strange things would have to happen one after the other to make it happen.
If your the kinda person that has that kinda bad luck something freaky is gonna get ya sooner or later so it may as well be a CB.
Other people have good luck and basic skills. And these lucky folks get to enjoy the awesomeness of a Cherry Bomber.
As I said previously, this thread was more to let people know that the issues exist. I realize people will do whatever they want, some people take safety precautions where others throw safety to the wind.
That's fine.
There are issues with the mod, and it doesn't take much research to find out. However that's research other people may not be willing to do, so this post is an attempt to serve as a "public service announcement" (PSA). If you're aware of the safety issues and think you're above a mishap, then fine. A lot of new vapers are attracted to the buzz words like "low voltage drop" and "chucks the biggest clouds" and don't really care about the safety precautions. We should expect that people are going to make mistakes, and hopefully the devices on the market will help new users prevent those mistakes. I don't want people to hurt themselves not because I care about their personal safety, but because I care about how people will view other vapers as a result. How many times has someone talked to you about a mod blowing up, something they read in the news about a mod catching fire, whatever, and when you explain that it was distinctly user error (as it is, quite often) they sort of shrug it off?
It's silly. There are safe devices out there which provide low voltage drop. To say that a device auto-firing (whether it's 1 in 100 or not) is "working as intended" is a joke.. "Oh, it's not a bug, it's a feature!"
I hope you're not a web dev.
But you started the thread recommending everyone returns them? That's isn't just a warning is it? And like I said, we already knew this.
And as far as I know, no CB owner has claimed this as a feature. Only the naysayers say things like that.
And as far as I know, no CB owner has claimed this as a feature. Only the naysayers say things like that.
its not a bug because it was intended to work this way. If they made the box plastic, it wouldn't be the same. If they ran a wire from the switch, it wouldn't be the same. The basic needed protections were designed as a dual insulator design above and below the atomizer connection. Just because it can be dangerous with significant user error or bad batteries or trash builds doesn't make it a flaw. All of those things can make any mechanical mod dangerous.
Well then you could have chosen a better thread title. Your title clearly states "do not use" not "use this if you're confident you know what you're doing". Perhaps, "Cherry Bomber users, Take note - Auto-fire possible under certain conditions" rather than the fear mongering title you've got up there now.
No, I think the thread title was appropriate to garner attention, and I do recommend not using it whether you're a professional vaper or want the "hardest hitting mod" or whatever your prerogative. I also didn't realize there was already a thread about this (which shows how effective/widespread of a PSA it was..)
Auto-firing can be caused by user error, but when it's this simple to accidentally reproduce (just do a quick Google to find all the people who have experienced unintentional auto-firing) you have to look to the design of the device. In this case, it was not designed well. In fact, there are likely steps that could have been taken to still keep the voltage drop low while preventing auto-firing from being an issue.
There are other devices out there with low voltage drop that don't have this issue or bug or feature or whatever you want to call it. Quirk.
"Sick clouds, low voltage drop, hardest hitting mod on the market.." It's an accident waiting to happen. Debate it all you want.
Ya, I also dont have the problem with my set ups.
You see, if the top cap of the atty is insulated by a proper o-ring, it will not short and fire unless you actually wedge metal between the mod body and the actual base of the atomizer.
Ya, we know.
Sensationalism.
You're over-reacting on a delirious level, you admitted to not even seeing the thread here on ECF before posting this, in which rolygate did an excellent and professional job while posting the information in the warning which was oddly enough, posted in the warnings forum...where it should be. You should have been posting this IN the warnings forum, where you would have seen the thread just like yours sitting there, for everyone to read. All you've done is dig yourself a deeper hole, with a thread that never needed to be posted.
If I must dumb it down, you're acting like you just got woken up by someone screaming "FIRE!" Calm down, lots of us already knew about this "issue" before you posted...
I have a (non-CB) mechanical box. It has an adjustable positive. It WILL hard short if I touch the 510 threads while adjusting the pin. It WILL hard short if I put my batteries in the wrong way. These aren't design flaws, they are the realities of using a mechanical device without so-called protection built in.
Mech users have a responsibility to know precisely what they use, how it works, what can go wrong and why.
Resellers have a responsibility to ensure prospective buyers are aware they are purchasing an unregulated mechanical device.
I take my mechs everywhere, so the CB is not for me. I don't care enough about voltage drop to see the benefit in using a "hybridized" 510 cap, so I avoid their associated risks.
This is the same BS that any anti-mech user puts out there. The "problem" is users with absolutely no respect for the tools they opt to use in pursuit of a better vape.
If the potential for disaster scares you, you probably don't have the knowledge or respect for the basic principles of electricity to safely use a mech.
Mech users have a responsibility to know precisely what they use, how it works, what can go wrong and why.
Resellers have a responsibility to ensure prospective buyers are aware they are purchasing an unregulated mechanical device.
I take my mechs everywhere, so the CB is not for me. I don't care enough about voltage drop to see the benefit in using a "hybridized" 510 cap, so I avoid their associated risks.
This is the same BS that any anti-mech user puts out there. The "problem" is users with absolutely no respect for the tools they opt to use in pursuit of a better vape.
If the potential for disaster scares you, you probably don't have the knowledge or respect for the basic principles of electricity to safely use a mech.
I have been using my cherry bomber for about a week or two and its been pretty good until this morning.
I was trying to change the tank and when I unscrewed the tank, the 510 female socket actually un screwed with the tank and that dropped the nut into the case and shorted the batteries one exploded and the other one heated up so high I burned my finger. I had to race to get the thing apart to get the batteries out.
I don't mind when one of my RDAs auto fired. I learned not to use that one with the cherry bomber. But, when you can't simply unscrew a tank without the damn thing shorting out and burning you while scrambling to get batteries out before it explodes... The design could definitely use an upgrade.
I need to find a way to secure the terminal better so it doesn't come undone so easily.
I was trying to change the tank and when I unscrewed the tank, the 510 female socket actually un screwed with the tank and that dropped the nut into the case and shorted the batteries one exploded and the other one heated up so high I burned my finger. I had to race to get the thing apart to get the batteries out.
I don't mind when one of my RDAs auto fired. I learned not to use that one with the cherry bomber. But, when you can't simply unscrew a tank without the damn thing shorting out and burning you while scrambling to get batteries out before it explodes... The design could definitely use an upgrade.
I need to find a way to secure the terminal better so it doesn't come undone so easily.
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