Pulling the trigger, but which one?

[jwelborn]

I've got three ProVari's which I use with Vivi Nova clearomizers. I do like my ProVari's, but I think I'll give a bottom feeder a try. I'm leaning toward a Bogger Box. Does anyone have any favorites they believe are best (Bogger, Vmod, Reo, etc.)?

Cheers,
James Welborn

 

[fourthrok]

Well...I'm partial to the Vmod. But I don't have a Bogger Box or a REO, so don't really have any way to compare.

Aesthetically I think the Vmod is designed well. It's rounded and comfortable in the hands. The lines are graceful, and it's easy to clean and maintain. It's quite sturdy when assembled. I've seen a vid where someone ran over a Vmod with a truck! lol! No damage! You can get different shells (outer casing) for it...change up the look according to your mood. Right now I have both the gunmetal shell and the burel wood one. Plan to get more in future. The price is right. They have a 6 month warranty. The Vmod works for me...especially since I favor cartomizers over atomizers.

But the REO is built like a tank, and there is no question that the Bogger Box is a pretty thang! Unlike the (current) Vmod...both of them do offer VV. Not that I feel any need for VV (I have a couple of VV devices already)...but you may.

 

[hazozita]

All three are good options. I can’t give first-hand feedback on the Bogger since I don’t have one, but I do have a Vmod XL and a Reo Mini 2.1. Of the two, the Reo would be my choice if I had to live with just one bottom feeder (perish the thought!).

The Vmod gives a fantastic bang for the buck, performs well, and Vapage is a good company to deal with. The Reo, while considerably more $ and less commonly available, offers much better construction quality, easier feeding (no tilting), and a greater range of options as to what you put on top, including RBAs. The Reo feels more comfortable to me in use as well. Support is outstanding.

I use and enjoy both, but the Reo has the top spot by a good margin, with the Vmod serving as the backup.

 

[kabonk]

I have a few VV Reos Grands and a VV Reo Woodvil they're really nice! I just ordered a custom wood DNA20 from boggers which I know is going to be beautiful. the nice thing about boggers is if you want to customize your woods you can, but I think you will probably be happy with whatever one you pick.

 

[Racehorse]

owned all 3, liked all 3. For different reasons.

 

[six]

I am a REO user, and I love my REOs... But, I just feel like making your choice more difficult. Have a look at the notcigs VVPV. It's a top feeder and it's very nice.

I have had a Boggers VV - and a VMod. I currently have a REO VVW and a REO Mini. - The boggers was a little bit bigger than my REO VVW and requires a screwdriver (cool screwdriver provided with the device) to adjust voltage. The VV REOs have a thumb wheel. I dropped and cracked my VV Boggers and though it was still working fine and I figured repair wouldn't be a big deal, I ended up selling it because one of my pals decided he couldn't live without it (and he did fix the crack - he's good with repairing wooden objects).

The boggers is a fine device. I'll probably get another one some day.

The metal REOs are all excellent devices and I wouldn't hesitate to recommend them... In fact, I recommend them all the time and you can read this as me currently recommending a REO to you. Sometime this summer, REO will be doing another run of VV Woodvilles. So, if your heart is set on wood, it might be worth a little wait. Currently, he has VV Grands, unregulated Grands, and Mini's on his site.

The Vmod - for what it is, it's OK. I had one for a short while and it did exactly what I expected it to do. I do not consider comparing a VMod to a REO as an apples to apples comparison. Though both have a juice bottle and a locking button, that's where the similarities end. They are a fully functional PV and the two negatives I relate to the VMod are the plastic construction and the cone. The cone is the VMods best and most innovative feature. But, it is a minor safety concern in my mind. You have to remove the cone to remove the atty. So, quickly disabling the circuit in a bad situation is delayed by the need to get the cone off first. --- Thermal occurrences of that sort are rare, but I do think everyone using a device like this needs to be aware that they can't remove the atty to disable the circuit and they can't disassemble the device to get the battery out without removing the cone. You need to weigh how you feel about the very remote possibility of something going wrong and having a short versus the added time required to rectify a situation like that. It may be a perfectly acceptable risk, but it is one that should at least cross your mind.

 

[hazozita]

While I agree with Six’s recommendation for the Reo, the point about the cone on the Vmod is not completely correct. Everything I’ve used on my Vmod (cartos and attys from Vapage, Boge, Kanger, and a few other brands) unscrews easily without taking off the cone. Takes no more time to do so than on my Reo – just grab the drip tip (or body of the device if it’s long enough) and turn. You can break the connection between the atty/carto and the device in less than a second.

I’m using the current generation Vmod XL. Can’t speak to this issue in earlier versions of the Vmod (as I understand it, the cone was re-designed in the current version).

 

[fourthrok]

About the cone on the Vmod....

What hazozita said.

 

[Commie]

Reos work very well with rebuildables, and are amazingly sturdy.

VMod is cheap, both price and quality. With a bit of fiddling, you can fix the "tip to feed" thing, and put rebuildables on it. Rebuildables might be prone to leaking on it.

Bogger is made out of wood. Very pretty, but not as sturdy as metal.

All three have a place under the sun, all have positive and negative sides. I would recommend Reos. They hold value very well, and on the off chance you don't like it, you can generally sell it on classies for very little loss.

 

[six]

the point about the cone on the Vmod is not completely correct. Everything I’ve used on my Vmod (cartos and attys from Vapage, Boge, Kanger, and a few other brands) unscrews easily without taking off the cone. .

Come to think of it, I probably thought about that backwards. My cone was tight on the attys I tried and they'd spin with the cone, so, at least on the one I had, spinning off the cone would also spin off the atty. I seem to recall an o-ring being in there.

 

[fourthrok]

Come to think of it, I probably thought about that backwards. My cone was tight on the attys I tried and they'd spin with the cone, so, at least on the one I had, spinning off the cone would also spin off the atty. I seem to recall an o-ring being in there.

Maybe you had an older model? The only time I take off the cone is to disassemble the Vmod to change batteries, fill the bottle, or for cleaning.

 

[wabbit]

What is the difference in weight and depth between the vv Reo and the vv BoggerBox? I'm thinking shirt pocket.

 

[LB609]

Measurements are 4 5/16" tall with drip cup 1 15/16" wide and 1 5/16" deep for the Bogger VV

Size (including catch cup):

Height: 4 1/4"
Width: 1-11/16"
Depth: 15/16" for the REO VV

These were taken from their sites.
I don't know about weight but my Bogger fits in my shirt pocket nicely there a little sag but I never feel like its going to fall out.

 

[Commie]

Sorry, didn't read the post.

 

[six]

Come to think of it, I probably thought about that backwards. My cone was tight on the attys I tried and they'd spin with the cone, so, at least on the one I had, spinning off the cone would also spin off the atty. I seem to recall an o-ring being in there.

Nope. I was right the first time. I ran in to the guy I sold mine to today. The silocone o-ring (not really an o-ring, but more like part of a carto condom for lack of something else to compare it to) that goes around the atty can be sticky. A little juice on it might solve it, but as it is, the cone needs to be loosened to get the atty to turn. Indeed I consider that to be a minor safety concern.

 

[tomzgreat]

VV Bogger Box Rocks

My Provari has cobwebs

The VV Bogger Box is not overly digital, mine is doing stuff that a Provari can't.

1st It's Variable Volt but doesn't detect the Ohms, I've run a .55 Ohm RBA Atomizer on it at 3.8V
My current sweet spot is a .8Ohm Atomizer Running at 4V
I'm using a Rebuildable Reomizer Atomizer
400 SS Mesh
4 Rolls of 28 Gauge Kanthal and I've reached my Sweetest Spot.

2. The ergonomics of the VV Bogger Box are excellent. The Squeeze bottle is right in the corner. If I go dry in the middle of a vape, just squonk and keep going.
3. It has a 1 year warranty. Reo VV only has 6 months on the electronics
4. The Wood Box is a real Eye Catcher
5. Wood is non Conductive so you can do a very heavy vape session and not have the unit heat up on you
6. Made in U.S.A excellent craftmanship.

What sells me on the Bogger Box now that I own it, above all others is that I have the advantages of a Mechanical
but the ability to use VV.

Reos are fine units and the gold standard so you wouldn't go wrong with a Reo but the non-conductivity [Heat] of the Bogger in my opinion makes it the better choice.

 

[hazozita]

Tomzgreat -- how does the wood finish stand up over time to sweat from hands, juice, etc.? Anything special that has to be done re: care of the wood?

The Boggers do look wonderful and quite distinctive. It's on my wish list of mods I'd like to own.

 

[Commie]

VV Bogger Box Rocks

My Provari has cobwebs

The VV Bogger Box is not overly digital, mine is doing stuff that a Provari can't.

1st It's Variable Volt but doesn't detect the Ohms, I've run a .55 Ohm RBA Atomizer on it at 3.8V
My current sweet spot is a .8Ohm Atomizer Running at 4V
I'm using a Rebuildable Reomizer Atomizer
400 SS Mesh
4 Rolls of 28 Gauge Kanthal and I've reached my Sweetest Spot.

2. The ergonomics of the VV Bogger Box are excellent. The Squeeze bottle is right in the corner. If I go dry in the middle of a vape, just squonk and keep going.
3. It has a 1 year warranty. Reo VV only has 6 months on the electronics
4. The Wood Box is a real Eye Catcher
5. Wood is non Conductive so you can do a very heavy vape session and not have the unit heat up on you
6. Made in U.S.A excellent craftmanship.

What sells me on the Bogger Box now that I own it, above all others is that I have the advantages of a Mechanical
but the ability to use VV.

Reos are fine units and the gold standard so you wouldn't go wrong with a Reo but the non-conductivity [Heat] of the Bogger in my opinion makes it the better choice.

3.8V and .55ohm is very impressive. That's 26W -- more than DNA can do! I don't think I've tried it on my Reo, but I think that might melt the hotspring. And yes, Bogger Boxes look very awesome, and literally unique.

Reo does have a few advantages:
1. The aluminum is nigh indestructible. I have two boys in the house that like to rough house with me. If they broke a wooden box in my pocket, I would likely be very upset.
2. The mechanical ones (non-VV) are very easy to wash. If I spill any juice inside there, or if I'm changing flavors to something incompatible, I can just rinse it under hot water, or run it through dishwasher. Shake it off, put batteries in, and vape.

 

[tomzgreat]

I've had mine a month.
Still looks great.

I chose a darker wood and on the Darker Wood you don't see the occasional scratch or ding, In fact until you brought it to my attention I haven't noticed I had any. They blend in with the grain of the natural wood.


I plan to buy a laquer at my local Michaels and give it a couple of extra coats but just haven't gotten around to it.

The advantage to Box Mods is that they are shorter so they get knocked over less. And when they are knocked over they don't roll.

 

[tomzgreat]

3.8V and .55ohm is very impressive. That's 26W -- more than DNA can do! I don't think I've tried it on my Reo, but I think that might melt the hotspring. And yes, Bogger Boxes look very awesome, and literally unique.

Reo does have a few advantages:
1. The aluminum is nigh indestructible. I have two boys in the house that like to rough house with me. If they broke a wooden box in my pocket, I would likely be very upset.
2. The mechanical ones (non-VV) are very easy to wash. If I spill any juice inside there, or if I'm changing flavors to something incompatible, I can just rinse it under hot water, or run it through dishwasher. Shake it off, put batteries in, and vape.

I agree with you the Reos have an excellent reputation and have the advantages that you mentioned.

The one disadvantage for me is that the metal body conducts heat from the Atomizer into the Spring which is designed to collapse in the event of a short [when it gets hot] and the unit can't tell the difference between the heat generated from a heavy vape session or High Voltage Vaping and a short, so it's not as good for High Voltage Vaping. I've read this on the Reo Forums where individuals have had to constantly change springs.

The Regular Bogger Box is Mechanical. I asked Marcus about the conductivity and he says that he uses thick Copper Wiring and that his Battery Spring [I can testify to this] is huge so the conductivity of his unit is excellent.

Myself, I like the flexibility that the VV gives me.
3 hours ago I was vaping .8 at 4V and I just checked with a meter and I'm still at 4V as compared to Mechanicals which will
gradually go lower. I get close to a mechanical with the benefits of VV.