Question about Throat Hit???

[SweetPuff]

So I'm pretty new at this...and have both the greensmoke and V2cigs kr808d1 (sticking w/ this one). I've ordered carts from v2cigs (18mg) and v4l (0 and 4mg) for the kr8, and am looking for a good TH that everyone talks about, along with flavor in my carts.

Can't seem to get ANY TH from the V4L carts, not on my passthrough or batt. Do you all find that the nic content is what gives the TH, or is it the juice, or is it the model of PV i'm using? Is there a particular company's juice that delivers both strong taste and TH, or should i just up the nic content, or buy a more powerful PV?
Thanks everyone!

 

[Numevexo]

Hi SweetPuff,
I haven't found many pre-filled carts that are all that great for providing TH. You may want to clean them and re-fill them with e-juice purchased separately. You can also buy blank cartos to fill yourself. It's actually quite easy.
Filling cartos: YouTube - A Great Way To Fill Cartomizers
Cleaning cartos: YouTube - Electronic Cigarette How To Refill a Cartomizer
I've found that menthol and cinnamon flavors give a very strong TH.
You could try a 24mg nic level. If it's to strong, you can always cut it with a couple drops of VG.
The VG that I use for this purpose can be found at Walmart in the health/beauty section: Humco USP Glycerin.
Some e-juice tastes better than others(depends on each person's preference), but even the cheaper ones should provide a decent TH. I started with Dekang e-juice(inexpensive) even this brand provided a reasonable TH.
I'm sure you'll get plenty more advice from others members. Stay tuned.
I use a kr808 and it provides an excellent TH, and this is coming from a 30+ year menthol analog smoker.
You definitely don't need a more powerful PV.
Good luck in your future vaping endeavors!

 

[Renro]

Good questions SweetPuff (because I am looking for the same answers I would like to know if particular if nicotine content has anything to do with the strength of the TH? I am currently using cartomizers from ST. I love the tastes BTW. I get a TH similar to smoking an analog, not quite, but enough to be satisfied. - At least I think it's a TH lol!

But I want to explore DIY. All these questions you asked are relevant to me. I don't know what it is about switching to vaping, but I have a hard time retaining the information. I know I've seen answers to these questions before but it hasn't clicked yet. OH-

Check out the videos by mistressnomad (I can't remember the name but they are under the sticky section of the new member forum and the title has something in it about nubes and broke. They explain so much about TH and Vapor and many other things. Definitely worth a looksee.

 

[Renro]

Numevexo - Best of luck on sunday!

 

[WomanOfHeart]

This is just an example of the inconsistencies from prefilled cartos. There are several factors to TH; the amount of PG in your juice, the voltage of your device and nicotine level.

I wouldn't suggest upping your nicotine level unless you're still craving cigarettes. You can try bumping to 24mg, but it might be too strong.

Using juice that has a higher PG amount would definitely make a difference. I suggest buying juice and refilling your own cartos. You'll have more variety in the flavors and you can choose a PG/VG ratio that works for you.

Getting a different device can make a difference, especially when used in conjunction with LR cartomizers. A lot of people move to mods so they can get a stronger TH, warmer vapor and better taste from their juice. There's a lot more to it than that, but I'm just outlining general points here.

 

[Numevexo]

Numevexo - Best of luck on sunday!

Thanks Renro. Sorry about your Jets game. Would like to have seen GB & NE in the SB.

 

[zombienerd]

It's my personal experience that Menthol additives give a great TH. I've also heard of people adding a drop of PGA into their cartridge to give a little more TH.

 

[dormouse]

SweetPuff - what flavors did you get? I find in general, some kinds of flavors never have much TH - like sweet fruit flavors, creamy flavors, etc. Non-menthol tobacco flavor TH has a fairly wide range, from smooth mellow tobaccos to more peppery or spicy tobaccos to ones with nutty or sweet additions which can add a bit of TH of their own. Some flavors that seem to add more TH are menthol. mint, cinnamon and other spices, liquor flavors, etc.

Did you get manual batteries? I think it is easier to get a good hit with manuals. No wasted dragging warming up the atty/carto. With a manual you vape when the vapor is best (press, wait 1/2 to 1 second, start dragging and before done drag, let up button, and continue to drag out the last of the vapor for a second or more)

 

[katsupkewl]

i am fairly new to all of this myself, but from what i have read here in the months before i started, th is mostly pg to vg ratio (70/30 seems to be the mix that makes the most people happy). the more pg, the more tickle. i say tickle because for me it's not th like from an analog. i just get a tickle at the back of my throat. it also does have a lot to do with flavor. i have a wonderful friend who bought me a 510 starter kit and pcc after i tried hers and had been talking about wanting to switch for almost a year, but i've been pretty broke for a long time. she just happened to find a great deal and got it for me for xmas. she also got me 4 different flavors. one of the flavors was applewood which has a huge th for me. another is peppermint and i don't get any tickle from it. i can feel the vapor, but don't get the tickle. either way, i love both flavors and i love my e-cig. so as far as i can tell, it really is just a matter of personal preference.

i should note that after my first few real hits on the cart with polyfill, i immediately switched to the teabag mod. that made a gianormous difference on the amount of vapor i got per hit.

hope i managed to help at least a bit.

 

[dormouse]

I don't think Vapor4Life lists their PG/VG ratios for their prefilled cartos or juices. I know I got what I thought was satisfactory TH from their 555.

 

[texasgranny]

This is just an example of the inconsistencies from prefilled cartos. There are several factors to TH; the amount of PG in your juice, the voltage of your device and nicotine level.

I wouldn't suggest upping your nicotine level unless you're still craving cigarettes. You can try bumping to 24mg, but it might be too strong.

Using juice that has a higher PG amount would definitely make a difference. I suggest buying juice and refilling your own cartos. You'll have more variety in the flavors and you can choose a PG/VG ratio that works for you.

Getting a different device can make a difference, especially when used in conjunction with LR cartomizers. A lot of people move to mods so they can get a stronger TH, warmer vapor and better taste from their juice. There's a lot more to it than that, but I'm just outlining general points here.

I agree with everything said.
I have a 3.7 unit and TH is great, but I also have the correct juice to do so as well. You may have to try several
to find one that does the "trick" for you.
I also like to have juices with cinnamon as it really kicks up the TH. I add this juice to my tobacco flavored juice
and walla! TH and satifaction!

 

[katsupkewl]

i've been researching for a while now lol of the sites i've seen that list the ratio, 70/30 is standard. i'd presume it to be the same there. but when in doubt, ask the seller

 

[dormouse]

The OP is vaping Vapor4Life prefills

BTW - I just tried my Vapor4Life WoW 555 carto again (on a Vapor4Life battery) and it has more TH than I want. Made me cough.

 

[wv2win]

Someone should "sticky" this.

Throat hit is 99% a product of two things: warmth of the vapor and nicotine strength. Warmth of the vapor comes from either more power (5 volt or variable volt) or lower resistence in the atomizer (but not as much as more power). I suspect that some people who answer this type of question have never used a 5 volt or variable volt PV before. You will not, I repeat, will not get good, consistent, strong throat hit from additives to e-liquid like PGA. And adding pepper will definitely get you a "burning" sensation but not true throat hit.

 

[dormouse]

That can't be the only factors. I have dozens of juices of the same nicotine and PG/VG vaped on the same PV with varying TH for each juice. People regularly review a whole order of juices from one vendor in a variety of flavors and rate widely varying TH for them. Are you saying a cinnamon flavor ejuice will have the same TH as a peach ejuice?

And not everyone needs a 5v device.

 

[Quix]

nicotine *provides* the throat hit.

other ingredients can only dampen the nicotine throat hit to lesser or greater extents.
PG allows the TH to shine through much better than VG.

in search of TH,
will only use 10%VG for this reason and then only to thicken the juice so is not watery.
have also cut flavors back from 10% to 5% in DIYing. makes a huge difference to the TH.
and some as little as 2% since every flavor varies in ability to mask the nicotine TH.

 

[wv2win]

That can't be the only factors. I have dozens of juices of the same nicotine and PG/VG vaped on the same PV with varying TH for each juice. People regularly review a whole order of juices from one vendor in a variety of flavors and rate widely varying TH for them. Are you saying a cinnamon flavor ejuice will have the same TH as a peach ejuice?

And not everyone needs a 5v device.

Some people don't like TH. I believe I read you are one who doesn't. To know what good, consistent, strong (not burning) throat hit is, I believe you need to have vaped at more than one power level. I, as many vets have, have vaped with 3.7v, 5v, 6v and VV devices as well as LR attys and atty's as varied as 510's, 901's, 808's, 801's and cartos. I have also vaped about 65 different flavored liquids as well as every nic level between 11mg up to 36mg, plus PG and VG. I have also added the many "so called" additives such as PGA to effect TH. Whatever difference one may get with a different juice or additive falls into that 1% area affecting TH. There are too many long time vapers who have come to the same conclusion that power level, resistence and nic level are the main factors in determining good, strong, consistent TH. When someone says they want more TH, telling them that by adding something to the liquid will get them "great" TH is just plain misleading.

 

[SweetPuff]

Great info, very interesting.

After reading all of your excellent feedback, I whipped one of my a peppermint 18mg carts (which I haven't really given much of a chance until reading your replies), and vaped it for the first time on my 5V passthrough, and voila...FINALLY, a TH that sort of mimicked that sensation that analogs give.

I think I have to agree that the higher voltage on the passthrough, with the extra heat made a big difference, as well as the "heat" of the menthol. Even though it seems that based on the responses, there seems to be some controversy about what causes the TH, I'm going to have to try out some of the spicy, menthol types of juices to see where the best TH lies, stick with the passthrough as much as poss. for the heat, and stick with at least 12mg nic, b/c the 0 and 4 don't seem to do much.

BTW, luckily, I haven't been tempted to go back to stinkies at all, I'm getting plenty of nic to stave off the cravings...it's just that I haven't been getting the satisfaction of the TH I was looking for -so I will keep searching and trying your suggestions until I find the right juice.

nuvemexo and womanofheart, i am gearing up to DIY cart filling for sure. It seems like that is the best way to go based on the info here. I'll check out the youtube vids mentioned to get a good idea on how to do it.

renro, sorry if this is a silly question, but can u give me the website where u buy your carts (ST?)...still not up on all the abbreviations, but I'll get there eventually.

dormouse...by the way, here's the list of the flavors I received, and tried, watermelon, blueberry cobbler, peach cobbler, peach, sour green apple, banana, bananas foster, vanilla, french vanilla ice cream, strawberry, and rasberry. All are either 4mg or 0 nic. While some taste very nice and do give a nice amount of vapor, absolutely NONE give TH, not even a bit, which makes sense reading what you said about those sorts of flavors.

Thanks again to everyone...I'll let you know when I find the magic potion that gives the ideal TH as soon as I find it. HOpe you all have a great night!

 

[dormouse]

Nicotine certainly makes a big difference in TH. I am not surprised you didn't get much from most of your flavors but none from Banana Foster's? I would have expected a bit on that if they have a liquor flavor in it. Glad the mint gave you some. Some people vape menthol or mint just for the THROAT SENSATION since apparently I got ripped for calling that TH. Ditto for strong cinnamons or redhots flavors. I don't know if it's because I have nicotine but rum flavor enhances my throat sensation. But I think peppermint would be stronger.

If you get some of their blank cartos you could buy their peppermint juice and some other flavors, and mix up combinations like raspberry-peppermint, chocolate-peppermint, etc and fill the blank cartos.

 

[wv2win]

Great info, very interesting.

After reading all of your excellent feedback, I whipped one of my a peppermint 18mg carts (which I haven't really given much of a chance until reading your replies), and vaped it for the first time on my 5V passthrough, and voila...FINALLY, a TH that sort of mimicked that sensation that analogs give.

I think I have to agree that the higher voltage on the passthrough, with the extra heat made a big difference, as well as the "heat" of the menthol.........QUOTE]

You "hit the nail on the head". More power = warmer vapor = true throat hit. There just is no comparison when it comes to significantly increasing throat hit than using a good 5 volt or VV PV along with higher strength nic.