Questions before getting a Vamo or something shorter & fatter?

[frankfennel]

Is there a seconds limit on how long I can hold down the fire button on Vamo? My ego turns off in about 6 seconds, hate that because I don't really inhail the first of two puffs I usually take.

Pbusardo's vamo review says
single 18350 = aprox 6 hours vape time
single 18650= aprox 18 hours
two 18350s = aprox 16.5 hours

18350 results:
18350 battery charger mah | eBay
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some say 800mah or 900mah for an 18350, others say 1200mah. My 1300mah ego usually doesn't last me is why I want a mod, so a single 1200mah 18350 isn't going to cut it, but I prefer a short style PV.

18650 results:
18650 battery charger mah | eBay
shows different mahs, protected/unprotected, and high drain or not. I guess I want the highest mah.


There's a vamo deal for under $40 without batteries, but If a single 18350's only 1200mah, then is there another mod maybe I can add a kick to for VV that's short and fat and holds a short fat battery that lasts quite a bit longer than an 18350? All I really need is VV and a safe protected PV that's not going to explode. Don't need VW or ohm readings etc.

If there isn't anything significantly shorter and fatter than an 18350 shortened vamo, and if two 18350s is 16.5 hours of vaping vs 18 of a single 18650, then I'll chose the two 18350 versions and deal with it only having 1200mah in short version. In that case, can you link the right batteries and best deal for the two 18350s? Thank you

 

[SilentScreams]

The cutoff is about 15 seconds.

As far as battery like I get about 6.5-7 hours on 18350 800mah. If you like the short mode just carry an extra battery with you. I have 4 for mine, 2 get me through a day when I use it. However, in 18650 mode isn't much taller. I just like the short mode of the Vamo personally. An 18650 will last me almost 2 days in my ProVari.

I have not seen an 18350 1200mah. Only 700 and 800mah in 18350's. This doesn't mean they don't exist I just have never seen them.

It is never recommended to stack batteries. Better to carry extras and swap em out.

 

[frankfennel]

"I have not seen an 18350 1200mah. Only 700 and 800mah in 18350's. This doesn't mean they don't exist I just have never seen them"

There are tons in the ebay search I linked. Upon watching some videos especially this one at around 4:32, "it is absolutely massive". I really don't want vamo as 18650 and rather not carry spare batteries for 18450. I might get arrested for billy club laws carrying a 650 vamo around. I hope there's something shorter and fatter maybe I can put a VV kick in.

 

[glasseye]

Have you considered a box mod or an MVP? You can't replace the batteries in an MVP but you do get long battery life and VV.

 

[frankfennel]

I forgot to add that I don't want a box, but would probably pick one as a last resort if it last significantly longer than an 18350. MPVs aren't so cheap at $70 (but I don't think needs added batteries and charger, so totals about the same as a vamo w/ batteries) and only goes to 5V.

 

[Unforeseen]

Moved to Variable Voltage APV Discussion

 

[sgenn99]

oh, i didn't want a box mod either...and then i saw the billet box....

 

[frankfennel]

a box is last resprt, really hope to find something non box, or pipe for that matter, just a short stubby long lasting VV and stable/well-protected tube.

 

[Oktyabr]

Best Quality Electronic Cigarettes | E-cigs | E-liquid | E-juice - Exhalevapors in Texas shows the VAMO for $40.98

 

[frankfennel]

^ another site has them for like $36 after a coupon, which is why I wanted to settle this thread before they sold out, but haven't settled the thread.

 

[Lowlife]

Best Quality Electronic Cigarettes | E-cigs | E-liquid | E-juice - Exhalevapors in Texas shows the VAMO for $40.98

They also have a 10% off coupon at the top of the page. March10 is the code. $36.88 final price

 

[frankfennel]

even if it were free, I'm saying that the vamo's just too damn huge. If changed to the smaller size with one 18350, it might not even outlast my 1300mah ego, and I don't want to carry spare batteries. I'm hoping to find something in similar price range that lasts significantly longer than my 1300mah ego, so I guess it has to be short and thick and prefer not a box PV. They still haven't made something like this?

 

[frankfennel]

on second thought, a protank on the Vamo (aprox 7.72 inches or 196mm combined) is only about a half inch bigger than my current set up of an MT3 on a 1300mah ego (aprox 7.125 inches or 181mm combined) and i'm sort of okay with.

The tank in the video I linked makes it look biger than I thought.
Pretty sure he says it's an AGA-T tank at around 4:30, which is the same 60mm as a protank WITHOUT the huge drip tip he has.

I'm still open to suggestions for something VV smaller than a Vamo and lasts significantly longer than a 1300mah ego or 18350. Maybe something with a kick. I'd very much rather a cylinder than a box. Then I'll decide.


Here's my "AGA-t is 60mm without the drip tip" source because dimensions sometimes get falsely posted even by venders and maybe this helps anyone else considering a vamo who's used to a T3 or something on a 1300mah ego.
http://www.vapervenue.com/products/aga

 

[frankfennel]

on third thought, I need more time and think the vamo's too big wth 18650. I'm considering a box or a non-variable volt 18650 and just building 1.8 ohm coils (but I think I'd rather get a VV box before getting a non-VV mod). (unless there's a smaller VV than a vamo that has about an 18650 for around $45). The 18650 ego mod is only like $20 including an 18650. I'm considering the gripper or other VV 18650 (or even dual 18650) boxes. Only concern with the gripper is flooding into the seam under the 510 leading into the box (gotta research that) and I just don't like box style.

noob question: if I get a non VV 18650 and use with 1.8 coils will I give about the same battery life from a VV 18350 with a 3ohm coil at high volts?


I don't know how most people can vape without a high mah 18650 or carrying spare batteries because I don't vape all that much and run out of battery before they day's over, especially if it's atty dry burn day. My main concern is battery life. Second's having VV option, but don't want something as huge as the Vamo. People sort of sarcastically suggested Provari, but I searched ebay for 18500 batteries and found some that are only about 1800mah, which is barely anything more than my 1300mah ego twist. I hope to get something like 3000mah.

 

[sgenn99]

if you're looking for something around 3000 mah, your best bet would be an mvp or some kind of box mod with an internal usb charged battery. even a bombshell stinger with a kick and a whopper of a battery (26650) won't last quite that long. maybe you can look into a simple variable voltage passthrough, and just charge it on the go-keep it charging when you're driving or anywhere you can plug in (you can even get a wall adapter for the usb cable), and you should be good to go. my provari with an 18650 lasts me almost the whole day. 18490/500's last about 6 or 7 hours. 18350's are good for about 4-5 hours, depending on how often you vape, and what you're vaping. dual coil cartos will eat up battery life faster then a single coil will. i use standard or 3.0 cartos.
i just ordered a vamo to use as a backup. For under 50 bucks, you get a solid, well built variable voltage/variable wattage workhorse. i don't see how you can go wrong with a deal like that.
i hope you find what you're looking for.

 

[geofxc]

I believe the 18650 provari is only slightly longer than the vamo in 18350 mode. On the cheaper side, 18650 lavatubes are probably only marginally larger than the short vamo. Its the circuitry that makes the vamo so big. The vamo is easily the largest tube mod out there. Incidentally the instructions that came with my vamo had a picture of it in XL mode-2 18650s!! Crazy lol. I primarily use the vamo in short mode and I love it.

 

[MFToms59]

frankfennel, if you decide on a Box Mod, I'd recommend the Mister E-Liquid Detonator VV; MEL VV Box Mod it takes two 14500 batteries and will go as high as 8.4V. I've had mine since December and love it, I run mine ~4 V and Vape chain moderate to heavy, my Vape time is at least one day on a set of batteries.

The 3 Amp switch limitation isn't a problem for me, others prefer a 5 AMP. My box measures 2 3/4" high, 2" wide and 3/4" deep, it will fit in your shirt pocket. I've dropped it several times, from as high as 3.5-4', and had the cover pop off and eject the batteries without breaking or craking the case, I reinsert the batteries and continue vaping.

If you get the Drip Cup you'll need a 1/2" extension and or a 510/Ego connector, I've run ViVi Novas, T2 Kangers and Dual Coils this doesn't break a sweat, BTW, I love it.

 

[frankfennel]

^ thanks for the dual 14500 box link. I'm considering it.
Vamo in "XL mode-2 18650s!!", omg, I've seen it also.


really noob question I should know

Taking the 'volt chart', high watts drain a battery faster than low watts, no?
http://www.evcigarettes.com/product...vaping-power-voltage-resistance-ohm-chart.jpg

If I buy a $17 3.7V ego 18650 mod with a 1.8ohm (7.81 watts), I get the same battery life as the
same 7.81 watts with a 6V and a 4.5ohm coil on an 18650 VV? (those setting are both aprox 7.81 watts,
just as an example).

The differences are a high ohm coil gives slightly better vapor production if it has more # of wraps
surface area. Or it could be built with longer-lasting thicker wire. High Volts isn't as much of an advantage as VV is for being able to find flavor/vapor production sweet spots, and those are the main
differences without getting too much in detail?

I'm %100 set on VV now, but not sure what I'm getting, I got a bunch of searching to do i.e Lavatube or
18650 boxes, or boxes with 2X big batteries, despite being big in 18650 mode, vamo's still an option for
the great price & battery life and I'll just get rid of it because I know more effecient affordable MODs
will be out before we know it, etc, etc. I'll figure this out soon enough. thanks for the help

I like feeling in controll to get the best vape production (I guess I'm doing the same thing as people
who VV for flavor sweet spots, but insted of flavor, I look at it as vapor production which I tend to
like at high watts). With VV, I don't have to predict the exact coil ohm I build before I make it. I feel like raising volts sometimes burns through gurgling on a bottom coil tank or I might crank up the volts and not inhail and do a sort of dry burn while the tanks attached to the battery.


what I'm really wondering about is this: A lot of vendors and manufacturers list specs for a mod and say it's an 18650 or 18350 or whatever, but then says "Battery capacity: 2200mah" for an 18650. Does that mean that mod's capped at 2200mah or I can still put a 1300mah 18650 in it?
Also, I find all types of different mahs for each types of battery, like only 600mah for a 14500 which two of those in a Detonator box mod = only 1200mah? but I'll probably find another 14500 that's like 900mah each. Guess I gotta read up an all the battery High drain, IMR, mah, etc, etc, confusion.

 

[MFToms59]

I use many lower resistance tanks & cartos & get the one day + life out of the 14500, whether it's with Efest 700mah or Trustfire 900mah, both those batteries work fine without any heating issues. Yes you can use 18650 @1300mah in a capped Mod, the mah rating will give you a good idea of the battery capacity between charges and has something to do with it's maximum output.

While it's nice to have an 8V output potential, I've never went beyond 5-5.5V since I don't use anything higher than a 3ohm resistance. The higher voltages are suited for the 5-6ohm devices or those that like burning hot vapor.

While you want your Voltage setting to give you maximum Vapor, your PG/VG Ratio will also have much to do with that, high VG gives more/thicker Vapor Clouds. With 4 V and LR devices, my 70/30 liquids give me plenty of Vapor without slow wicking problems, for the times I use higher resistance devices, I just crank up the voltage. You really don't need a Volt or Multimeter, just crank it until the liquid gets a slight burnt taste & back it off, setting it to taste is all that really matters. If your liquid tastes like Dog Dew @ 4.5 Volts, what's the sense of leaving it at that setting, setting to taste is the easiest way to go.

 

[frankfennel]

"Yes you can use 18650 @1300mah in a capped Mod, the mah rating will give you a good idea of the battery capacity between charges and has something to do with it's maximum output"


'sites list specs for a mod and say it's an 18650 or 18350 or whatever, and then say "Battery capacity: 2200mah" for an 18650. Does that mean that mod's capped at 2200mah or I can still put a 1300mah 18650 in it?' oops, I meant 3000mah, not 1300.